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today on the show we've got Navy veteran

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private investigator and host of

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mysteries decoded Jennifer Marshall and

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I know that there's gonna be people who

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watch the episode and say oh those

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people are just fame and fortune seeking

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what a bunch of garbage I'll tell you

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this there were two people involved with

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the 2004 incident off the USS Nimitz

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battle group who have talked to me

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confidentially off the record I cannot

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and will not use their names they were

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not included in the show these people

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backed up and gave me additional

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information as to what we show in the

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program so if the people on the program

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are doing it for fame and fortune what

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are these other two people doing it for

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they have nothing to gain they have

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everything to lose they came to me as a

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fellow Navy veteran in confidence and

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said yes this is what happened this is

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and unto this week's guest you know her

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as my co investigative partner on the CW

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TV special Roswell mysteries decoded and

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today we talk in depth about how it all

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came to be her military career her

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acting career and then we go deep into

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our investigation into the Roswell

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incident what Jennifer is looking for

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now in her new series mysteries decoded

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and we tease our upcoming episode where

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we investigated the highly classified

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military base area 51 the episode

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premieres Tuesday September 10th on the

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CW but for now I hope you enjoy this

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interview with Jennifer Marshall

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Ryan thank you so much for having me you

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will hear my cat purring he's right next

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to the mic so um the more the merrier

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uh yeah absolutely if there's anything

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my show needs its cat purring for sure

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are you're gonna hear the subway in the

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background okay it's a um Beyonce I can

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get I can dig it

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Oh totally yeah no it makes perfect

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sense we're on different coasts we get

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those two different vibes so it's gonna

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be great yeah yeah well I'm glad to be

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here thank you so much for the invite

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finally we made this happen I've had I

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know asked me for months and months like

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why didn't you do a interview when

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you're the Roswell special came out said

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we're both so busy but now we have so

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much more to talk about yeah it was

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insane we had talked about it back then

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but we were really really busy and

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Roswell just happened like a complete

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tornado it happened it was done and then

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whirlwind and then we'll get to what

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grew from that

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obviously but um before we sort of get

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to why I brought you out today misters

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Dakota dear new show on the CW I'd love

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to get the origin story of like how

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people came to to research or

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investigate the paranormal UFOs just

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mysteries in general and um and kind of

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our origin story of how we started

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working together so before we get to

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that part let's start even earlier can

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you give us a little background on your

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timing the Navy and what made you go

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down that path yeah so I joined the Navy

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when I was 17 I was five weeks out of

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graduation for a high school graduation

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I grew up in a one-stoplight town and

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there were nine veterans and my family

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so it was just one of those things where

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you know one of us was going to join it

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ended up being me and not my brothers

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but I joined I served for five years I

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had an incredible time when I was in and

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I really just feel like it set up the

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path for who I was to be when I finally

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grew up per se so I love the Navy I

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can't say enough good things about it

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yeah and I do want to ask you later on

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about the connections you still have

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with veterans because this is something

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that I'm very passionate about as well

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it's something that a lot of people in

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the I would say the civilian world don't

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think of often so we'll get to that a

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later but um so Navy and then the acting

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career so how did this happen how do you

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go from being in the military to being

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an actor on television you know if you

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would have told me 15 years ago you're

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going to get all the Navy and you're

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gonna be on Netflix is number one show

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and you're gonna have a show of your own

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on the CW I would have slapped you some

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others no way that's not that's not

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Jennifer that's not possible that's not

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things so I mean growing up without much

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money that's a career for other people

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you don't ever think that that's

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something for you but basically I

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stumbled into it because you know I

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touched on this in the montauk episode

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but I had gotten sick from the anthrax

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shots when I was in the Navy and it put

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an end to what I had hoped would be a

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20-year career I was in for five years

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out and you know I had this friend who

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was on a local commercial and I said how

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did you do that and he said oh I take

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classes at this local studio and I got

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paid $400 for that commercial so at the

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time I've had $400 for a half a day at

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work that's a lot of money let me let me

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go see if I can do this so I started

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taking classes at this place and I

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booked my first job two weeks in are you

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hear about so many people getting

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involved in the acting world or the

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entertainment industry through

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commercials and for any of us out there

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living in you know here in New York and

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the theater world that pays so so little

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and the rewards you you reap are more

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just like you know the satisfaction of

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having done a show eight times a week or

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something well right in the commercial

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world and you're you're there for you

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know maybe maybe twelve hour a day or

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whatever but then you you realize how

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much the paychecks are forth that is

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where it's at people oh absolutely and I

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mean that commercial that I was talking

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about was a non-union commercial in a

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local market but if you get into

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commercials that are Union if it's a big

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spot a coke spot you could make fifty

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grand a hundred grand I mean it's not as

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common as it used to be more and more

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spots circling non-union but if you can

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nail one of those I mean it's a lot of

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money it's a lot of residuals that's

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that's what I like I'm not in it just

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I need to get paid - yes it's a business

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I'm a businesswoman so you know I don't

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tend to book that many commercials I

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tend to book more film and TV which is

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weird because most people book more

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commercials and they find it harder to

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get into film and TV so I'm an odd duck

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that way well you did mention one of the

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number-one shows on Netflix so I got it

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out to here what are some of the I guess

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the more high-profile things you've been

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involved with if you don't mind telling

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us your little Hollywood career here

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yeah I you know I've worked in TV and

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film here in Los Angeles since 2013 so

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since that time I

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I booked stranger things so I play Max's

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mom on stranger things I had an amazing

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guest star on Hawaii five-o playing

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Lieutenant Colonel Bailey she's a joint

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mortuary affairs officer who oversees

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the dignified transfer of one of our

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Airmen killed in Kabul so that was a

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very meaningful episode for me I was

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guest starring as a very strict

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headmistress named Marlene on

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Nickelodeon's game shakers I've been in

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several films both that went straight to

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TV and then straight to DVD and then

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some that were in the theater so

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thankfully I've been very busy since

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I've been here

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but of course stranger things was really

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the role that kind of turned everything

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for me and after I booked that I

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couldn't tell anybody until it aired so

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that was terrible I wanted to you know

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jump up and tell everybody but you can't

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because you risk getting fired and or

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sued oh yeah and I mean these NDA's

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they're they're no joke I mean we

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I remember neurone was very quick oh

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it's so quick and people would ask me

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what art because they knew that I was

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out of state and they knew that I was

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you know because where we were at there

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was no cell service so I had to explain

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to my my reps you know where I was but I

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couldn't really go into specifics so you

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just have to have a great relationship

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with you know your boss your reps

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whoever it is that you kind of report to

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and hope that they understand that

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you're not working on just some crackpot

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you know I mean when you told all your

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reps and everyone that you're in

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Roosevelt they were probably why what I

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told everyone I was in Roswell they were

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pretty damn sure they knew why I was

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there so with you of course yeah I think

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with me they were just like what are you

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doing and they they knew in theory you

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know they know our clients a private

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investigator if they joke with me about

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things sometimes but I don't think that

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they expected it nor did I expect it to

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lead into a TV show that was never

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really the thought process behind me

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getting into it I'd seen here I mean I

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knew we were doing a one-hour special

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and it had always been a dream of mine

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to investigate the Roswell okay so even

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though even if it never went anywhere

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after that I was I was so happy that I

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was literally being like whisked off to

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the desert where something crashed in

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1947 to live out this fantasy I know

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he's had of speaking to people who found

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stuff out there or talking to the

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granddaughter of like the main military

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officers so I gotta ask you how did how

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did the opportunity for you come about

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with Roswell mysteries decoded for me it

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was a chance meeting as these things

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often are at alien con where a sec you

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know producer Gary met me but how did it

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come about for you you know it's funny I

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was brought in for a I don't want to say

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exactly what it does but it was

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something on History Channel and they

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brought me in because I had they they

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knew I had a background in naval

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aviation I think they thought I was

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maybe a pilot or something like that

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because people assume naval aviation no

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I just worked in logistics but I went in

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anyway and they said you know we're

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looking for an investigator with a

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background in this and I you know I

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talked to them they said yeah the

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network didn't think that you were fit

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for that could you come back because we

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want to pitch you for a show and you get

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this all the time living in Hollywood so

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I went in and we did kind of like a real

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and I just remember I was very SAS it's

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very sassy with them and Dan will tell

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you I was very sassy and then they had

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called me and they said hey do you

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remember you came in and you did this

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real and ice

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yeah they said we need to pitch you for

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something else can you come in so we can

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reshoot some of it so I went in and they

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weren't very specific and then they were

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telling me that they pitched a bunch of

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other people to be your partner and then

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that network was kind of now we're not

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really into that and then they told me

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you know what you're the person that we

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want we're here the person the network

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chose you and Ryan are going to get

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together and and go to Roswell for this

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and I think I had three days notice

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yeah I'm pretty sure that oh my gosh I

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know we met at the airport for the and

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trying to do all that research was you

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know I had because that's not my area of

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expertise so I had three days to just I

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literally was scouring everything from

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12 to 18 hour days and for the listeners

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you know on mysteries decoded on Roswell

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mysteries decoded we have researchers

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behind the scenes so Ryan and I are

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certainly up to snuff but there's no way

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we could cover all of that especially

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when I got into shooting the series you

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know you're shooting a new episode every

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two weeks so unless I want to have been

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in my family and go into a library 24/7

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I'm not going to have as you know the

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knowledge that I would need working on a

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regular case so Ryan and I had some some

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really great researchers who work at the

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production company who helped us as well

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absolutely you know one of those two is

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a he was actually just on the show last

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week Alejandro Rojas was our little team

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producer and I mean this guy's life is

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UFOs 24/7 so I mean I'm so happy they

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brought him in and that's what they do

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they they find people who know these

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things they collaborate with you and I

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and that's when we can really start to

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do the research because like you said

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it's at the end of the day it's

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television let me know things have been

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very quick and there they can be very

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stressful so we don't have months and

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months to prepare and sit in that

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library like you said to to look at

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these things so I mean there were stuff

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I was learning from our researchers and

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from you so I have to give you credit

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for you know literally doing a crash

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course no pun intended with Roswell and

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I am so happy that they went with you

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because I can't imagine having done that

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with anyone else you were so patient and

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understanding and open-minded I think is

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the big thing when it comes to this like

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every Network when they want to do one

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of these investigator shows they want

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that cookie cutter Mulder and Scully

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thing and I think it was smart you and I

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went into the st. look let's not play

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these roles let's say what we really

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want to say and I think that was great

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that we had that opportunity to do that

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because you don't see that often oh

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absolutely and you know for people

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listening who watched Roswell or they

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watched the show itself of course

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there's editing to kind of make it you

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know a little more he-said she-said you

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and I definitely have our own opinions

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of things that went on there but I think

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what's what's wonderful about us as we

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can just say you know what I don't agree

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with that you don't agree with that we

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think differently but that's okay rather

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than what's really common in society oh

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you don't believe what I believe okay

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well you're not worth my time and see

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you later

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and I think that both of us got stronger

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because we were not in an echo chamber

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we were challenging each other and I

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just I loved working with you and again

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on area 51 because you are so passionate

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about the subject matter and even if I

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wasn't interested at all which I am but

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let's say I wasn't just your passion

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makes it interesting it makes me want to

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learn more

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oh that's extremely kind of you to say

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and I think that's rare to find people

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so passionate about these topics that

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maybe they'll change your mind but at

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least you're open to the possibilities I

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mean you come from a very evidence-based

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background as you have to in the kind of

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work that you do outside of acting so I

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mean I knew full well going in like I'm

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not gonna be able to prove [\h__\h] to

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Jennifer like this is this is Roswell

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we've been trying to prove this thing

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was a cover-up for 70 years or even

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longer proving that it was alien so I

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think it was so refreshing to see

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something on television that didn't say

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you think this I think this were never

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going to agree because I think you and I

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both what came out of that project being

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like whoa we kind of had an entirely new

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door opened after hearing some

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interesting stories in Roswell so hmm

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I do kind of want to touch on that a

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little before we get to this rooster

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code it is yeah what were some of the

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highlights of your time in Roswell and

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that evidence like I said that we

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uncovered what do you what really

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resonated with you

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you know I think what sticks out to me

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about that episode in particular being

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at the crash site being there and

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realizing that what I had assumed and

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what I had thought in my head it

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completely was not that some some other

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things came through the man are we going

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to talk about the man who came up okay

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this is a great story to tell because

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again with television there's things

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that just don't make it on and this yeah

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I was picking on moments you and I had

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yes so you know when you go to shoot in

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Roswell people assume that you're making

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TV or film about aliens or

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extraterrestrial craft that's what they

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assume so the morning that we were

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shooting at the diner someone came over

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to one of our cameramen and said hey

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what are y'all shootin and the cameraman

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said we're shooting a documentary on

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ground water and the man said well good

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good thing you're not talking about the

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aliens and he said what do you know

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about aliens and this man basically told

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the cameraman who is a very reliable

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person he's he's not someone who would

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lie about this or anything like that

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he's actually it's it's actually funny

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that he was working on the type of show

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that we were doing because he's even

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more of a more of a skeptic than I am so

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and he's very soft-spoken so so I know

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that this happened and he did not just

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you know say I'm just gonna sleep it's

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not a thing with him so a man walked up

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to me said he was working on a

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documentary with ground water he said

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this is what I know about aliens and so

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the cameraman just sat there and

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listened and the man claims that oh gosh

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there was an orphanage at the time a

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home for children not so much an

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orphanage but a home for children where

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parents had relinquished custody of

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their children due to mental and

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physical disabilities that their

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children had hydrocephalus cerebral

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palsy things like that

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so what he said was there was supposedly

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some sort of TB outbreak that went

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through this home for children and most

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of the children or a good number of the

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children died from whatever this was

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supposedly TB so he said that it was

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absolutely there were absolutely beings

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in this craft when it crashed he posits

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that it was a US government experimental

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aircraft and they did not want to risk

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the lives of pilots so they had taken

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these children that supposedly died they

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did not die they had taken the children

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and they had put and put them in the

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craft to try to study the effects of how

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quickly that craft flew on the human

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body that's why there was a need for

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caskets for child sized caskets that's

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why the children looked as if they had

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the beings looked as if they had large

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heads that's why they were small in

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stature and their skin was tinged gray

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so immediately Ryan and I hear this and

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we are sickened and freaking out and

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thinking does this have merit what's

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going on and you know if let's just say

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that's true just for the sake of

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argument for this point if that is true

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or has any kernel of truth to it no

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wonder the government says you think

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that it's aliens right on keep thinking

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it's aliens great because if that were

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to be the truth how horrific right and I

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mean we'll get to some of the stuff the

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government's possibly done in terms of

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experiments with people but this was a

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theory that had been going around the

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UFO community for a while in different

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forms you know one minute it was you

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know orphans from America the next

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minute there was POWs from Japan the

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next minute it was people from Russia

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these theories have been going around

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for a while that

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Roswell was much more human than I think

510
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a lot of people are willing to accept in

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the believer camp

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I heard our cameraman bring up the story

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I was stunned because it was so accurate

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two things I'd been told throughout the

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years it matched up perfectly with the

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investigation you and I were doing in

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terms of the evidence we found and it

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just it blew me away that a local in

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Roswell who you know has heard every

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story Under the Sun

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said not only that he'd heard this story

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but that he'd heard it directly from

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people within his family that were

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involved with it so that was scary to

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think if any of that's true

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any of it it's any unnerving well and

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later you know I was on set in Los

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Angeles and somebody said you've been

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gone for a long time I was stuck

530
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advising for a military scene for the

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show and he said you've been gone a long

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time I said yeah I was actually just in

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Roswell and he said you know what were

534
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you shooting and I gave him the bare

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minimum I said hey you're you know it's

536
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coming out on this day but yes basically

537
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we're shooting about that and he said

538
00:21:46,390 --> 00:21:43,590
you know I went to New Mexico Military

539
00:21:48,830 --> 00:21:46,400
Institute and this is a retired colonel

540
00:21:51,080 --> 00:21:48,840
that I know so you know he was in the

541
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:51,090
Army for 30 years he's very reliable and

542
00:21:55,130 --> 00:21:53,490
I said really and he said yes and he

543
00:21:57,260 --> 00:21:55,140
said and I actually have a connection to

544
00:21:57,650 --> 00:21:57,270
Roswell and I said well you know of

545
00:22:00,020 --> 00:21:57,660
course

546
00:22:02,330 --> 00:22:00,030
tell me more he said that there was a

547
00:22:04,280 --> 00:22:02,340
woman who used to be married to one of

548
00:22:08,420 --> 00:22:04,290
the town veterinarians he had since

549
00:22:10,460 --> 00:22:08,430
passed on and when he was a cadet at the

550
00:22:12,950 --> 00:22:10,470
New Mexico Military Institute you know

551
00:22:15,770 --> 00:22:12,960
this was 30 years ago but she was

552
00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:15,780
married to the town veterinarian and she

553
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:18,570
said that her husband had come home and

554
00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:21,360
he had said that and at this time when

555
00:22:25,190 --> 00:22:23,250
she was talking to the colonel her

556
00:22:26,930 --> 00:22:25,200
husband had died you know she's retired

557
00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:26,940
they're they're elderly at this point

558
00:22:32,870 --> 00:22:30,930
but back in 1947 he had come home and he

559
00:22:36,020 --> 00:22:32,880
was screaming and crying and shaking and

560
00:22:37,820 --> 00:22:36,030
she said what happened and he said that

561
00:22:39,830 --> 00:22:37,830
and this was a very reserved man you

562
00:22:42,530 --> 00:22:39,840
know that's not a standard of behavior

563
00:22:44,990 --> 00:22:42,540
for men back then and he had said that

564
00:22:48,020 --> 00:22:45,000
you know they had called him in to his

565
00:22:50,270 --> 00:22:48,030
practice and they had said we need you

566
00:22:52,850 --> 00:22:50,280
to vivisect because one of these beings

567
00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:52,860
was still alive and he said that there

568
00:22:57,919 --> 00:22:55,170
were three beings and he explained that

569
00:23:00,289 --> 00:22:57,929
they looked small at in just great

570
00:23:02,060 --> 00:23:00,299
skin he said that he didn't know if they

571
00:23:04,190 --> 00:23:02,070
were human or not but two of them were

572
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:04,200
dead and they wanted the other one

573
00:23:08,570 --> 00:23:06,690
vivisected and he said he just started

574
00:23:10,070 --> 00:23:08,580
freaking out and said no and was crying

575
00:23:13,129 --> 00:23:10,080
and screaming and she said that after

576
00:23:15,739 --> 00:23:13,139
that the you know quintessential men in

577
00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:15,749
black came to their house and said that

578
00:23:18,529 --> 00:23:17,730
they needed to speak to him they spoke

579
00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:18,539
to him in private

580
00:23:24,019 --> 00:23:21,690
and he never talked about it again so to

581
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:24,029
me you know do I know that this is

582
00:23:28,340 --> 00:23:25,919
necessarily true I don't know but it

583
00:23:31,489 --> 00:23:28,350
backs up exactly what the other story

584
00:23:34,519 --> 00:23:31,499
was and you know this woman at the time

585
00:23:36,710 --> 00:23:34,529
was in her 90s so why is she going to be

586
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:36,720
making up stories to tell local cadets

587
00:23:40,399 --> 00:23:38,730
at the New Mexico Military Institute

588
00:23:42,430 --> 00:23:40,409
that just doesn't make a lot of sense

589
00:23:44,899 --> 00:23:42,440
when somebody has lived a very

590
00:23:46,639 --> 00:23:44,909
honourable life doesn't have a history

591
00:23:50,330 --> 00:23:46,649
of making up stories and then in their

592
00:23:52,489 --> 00:23:50,340
90s decides to invent this story you

593
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,499
know so I have to give that some sort of

594
00:23:57,320 --> 00:23:54,480
credence maybe he told her then and it

595
00:23:59,749 --> 00:23:57,330
wasn't true but then again why would he

596
00:24:00,379 --> 00:23:59,759
make it up it just does it doesn't make

597
00:24:04,070 --> 00:24:00,389
any sense

598
00:24:07,789 --> 00:24:04,080
you know exactly yeah and I mean we we

599
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:07,799
could debate till you know for the end

600
00:24:14,060 --> 00:24:10,769
of time what Roswell was or wasn't will

601
00:24:16,909 --> 00:24:14,070
we ever know I don't know but I know you

602
00:24:18,799 --> 00:24:16,919
and I we we are itching to get back out

603
00:24:22,159 --> 00:24:18,809
there because there's some leads that we

604
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:22,169
have where we're like whoa we really got

605
00:24:27,859 --> 00:24:24,690
a we got I'll get this even further so I

606
00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:27,869
guess sort of rounding out Roswell what

607
00:24:31,460 --> 00:24:30,090
do you want to do that's left with

608
00:24:33,710 --> 00:24:31,470
investigating right so is there anything

609
00:24:35,869 --> 00:24:33,720
that really we weren't able to cover

610
00:24:38,470 --> 00:24:35,879
that you'd want to do or where do you

611
00:24:42,529 --> 00:24:38,480
stand right now on the whole thing Jen

612
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:42,539
you know I wish I had access to the

613
00:24:47,539 --> 00:24:44,369
files of base personnel at that time

614
00:24:49,730 --> 00:24:47,549
that's something that you know if that

615
00:24:51,499 --> 00:24:49,740
did exist it's probably long gone it's

616
00:24:55,789 --> 00:24:51,509
been destroyed I would not have access

617
00:24:57,769 --> 00:24:55,799
to it I would love to do I would love to

618
00:24:59,930 --> 00:24:57,779
do more interviews in person with people

619
00:25:01,669 --> 00:24:59,940
now at this point it's children of

620
00:25:03,739 --> 00:25:01,679
people and it's grandchildren of people

621
00:25:06,320 --> 00:25:03,749
but there's something to be said about

622
00:25:09,619 --> 00:25:06,330
many people coming forward who do not

623
00:25:10,090 --> 00:25:09,629
have a history of exaggeration or lying

624
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:10,100
and

625
00:25:14,230 --> 00:25:12,650
you know this is what happened this is

626
00:25:16,090 --> 00:25:14,240
what my father said this is what my

627
00:25:17,830 --> 00:25:16,100
grandfather said I really want to do

628
00:25:19,630 --> 00:25:17,840
some more interviews because sometimes

629
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:19,640
the beauty of interviews is sometimes

630
00:25:23,710 --> 00:25:21,530
people will say something as an aside

631
00:25:25,390 --> 00:25:23,720
that they think is nothing but it

632
00:25:27,430 --> 00:25:25,400
connects to something else that you

633
00:25:29,350 --> 00:25:27,440
already know about the investigation and

634
00:25:31,090 --> 00:25:29,360
it's just a tree branch and you follow

635
00:25:33,190 --> 00:25:31,100
it and you see where it goes sometimes

636
00:25:35,950 --> 00:25:33,200
it leads to nothing sometimes it leads

637
00:25:37,810 --> 00:25:35,960
to something really freaking great that

638
00:25:39,909 --> 00:25:37,820
is such a good point I mean the only

639
00:25:42,940 --> 00:25:39,919
reason you and I are talking about

640
00:25:46,330 --> 00:25:42,950
Roswell right now was a chance like

641
00:25:48,820 --> 00:25:46,340
remark to Stanton Friedman one of the

642
00:25:51,520 --> 00:25:48,830
biggest you know UFO researchers of all

643
00:25:54,730 --> 00:25:51,530
time who we lost recently unfortunately

644
00:25:56,409 --> 00:25:54,740
but a chance remark that someone said

645
00:25:57,669 --> 00:25:56,419
being like oh you should talk to that

646
00:26:00,190 --> 00:25:57,679
guy Jesse Marcel

647
00:26:02,590 --> 00:26:00,200
I think he was somewhat involved with

648
00:26:04,180 --> 00:26:02,600
that and then BOOM the entire Roswell

649
00:26:06,700 --> 00:26:04,190
incident that had been covered up for so

650
00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:06,710
long was blown wide open and that's why

651
00:26:11,799 --> 00:26:08,690
I'm talking about it no because it was

652
00:26:12,909 --> 00:26:11,809
out left in obscurity after it happened

653
00:26:14,289 --> 00:26:12,919
they thought they've covered this thing

654
00:26:16,299 --> 00:26:14,299
up and no one was ever gonna talk about

655
00:26:19,120 --> 00:26:16,309
it again but look it's 2019 and we're

656
00:26:20,350 --> 00:26:19,130
still questioning what happened well you

657
00:26:22,120 --> 00:26:20,360
know what I would love to do is I would

658
00:26:23,950 --> 00:26:22,130
love to go to Kingman because there was

659
00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:23,960
a supposedly a UFO crash there I would

660
00:26:28,390 --> 00:26:26,450
love to go to Kecksburg I want to see

661
00:26:30,610 --> 00:26:28,400
what the connecting threads are because

662
00:26:32,140 --> 00:26:30,620
I don't believe for one instance now I'm

663
00:26:33,970 --> 00:26:32,150
not saying that I know for a fact it's

664
00:26:35,529 --> 00:26:33,980
extraterrestrial craft I don't know that

665
00:26:38,380 --> 00:26:35,539
maybe it's military craft it could be

666
00:26:41,350 --> 00:26:38,390
anything but you know when these things

667
00:26:44,649 --> 00:26:41,360
happen this isn't just conspiracy

668
00:26:45,549 --> 00:26:44,659
theorists making up things that's that's

669
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:45,559
not possible

670
00:26:50,409 --> 00:26:47,929
Oh in Roswell in 47 they made it up oh

671
00:26:52,299 --> 00:26:50,419
and Kecksburg in 65 they made this that

672
00:26:54,370 --> 00:26:52,309
that's a nonsense theory in itself to

673
00:26:56,140 --> 00:26:54,380
say all of these things are just created

674
00:26:57,789 --> 00:26:56,150
out of somebody's minds something

675
00:27:00,370 --> 00:26:57,799
happened we just have to ascertain what

676
00:27:03,789 --> 00:27:00,380
and I can't wait for that possibility

677
00:27:07,299 --> 00:27:03,799
for us to get back out there from

678
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:07,309
Roswell came mysteries decoded the the

679
00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:09,770
one-hour special did so well with the CW

680
00:27:15,850 --> 00:27:12,770
they were so amped to keep doing this

681
00:27:19,030 --> 00:27:15,860
that they created mysteries decoded and

682
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:19,040
you are the main host and I I gotta tell

683
00:27:23,950 --> 00:27:22,610
you didn't like I love watching this

684
00:27:27,269 --> 00:27:23,960
show every week

685
00:27:29,950 --> 00:27:27,279
just to see the looks on your face

686
00:27:32,830 --> 00:27:29,960
some of these stories oh my god you're

687
00:27:34,989 --> 00:27:32,840
becoming a meme it's hilarious oh I need

688
00:27:37,060 --> 00:27:34,999
some gifts I tell you I rolled my eyes

689
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:37,070
so hard I feel like they're gonna break

690
00:27:41,230 --> 00:27:39,470
off into the back of my stall see but

691
00:27:42,940 --> 00:27:41,240
here's the thing that that that could be

692
00:27:45,609 --> 00:27:42,950
taken the wrong way in terms of your

693
00:27:48,460 --> 00:27:45,619
debugger or an extreme skeptic when I

694
00:27:51,730 --> 00:27:48,470
know for a fact that you are very

695
00:27:54,669 --> 00:27:51,740
open-minded I am I am but sometimes

696
00:27:56,889 --> 00:27:54,679
people listen then the eye-rolling comes

697
00:27:58,810 --> 00:27:56,899
from and I'm not going to say what

698
00:28:00,100 --> 00:27:58,820
episodes these people are on but you

699
00:28:01,930 --> 00:28:00,110
know there were three people that we

700
00:28:03,639 --> 00:28:01,940
interviewed who are they're not hosts

701
00:28:05,070 --> 00:28:03,649
there they are not co-hosts they were

702
00:28:07,180 --> 00:28:05,080
just people who are on the show and

703
00:28:09,909 --> 00:28:07,190
three individual people who are

704
00:28:12,909 --> 00:28:09,919
charlatans you know just everything

705
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:12,919
about them it's like I they're just

706
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:14,690
trying to sell me something and they're

707
00:28:19,180 --> 00:28:17,360
trying to think that I'm dumb and they

708
00:28:22,029 --> 00:28:19,190
can kind of try to convince me that a B

709
00:28:23,619 --> 00:28:22,039
and C is true and there are a lot of

710
00:28:25,930 --> 00:28:23,629
people that we bring on the show who are

711
00:28:27,999 --> 00:28:25,940
very credible but there are other people

712
00:28:31,029 --> 00:28:28,009
we bring on who have these fanciful

713
00:28:31,629 --> 00:28:31,039
things going on and none of it makes any

714
00:28:34,899 --> 00:28:31,639
sense

715
00:28:36,759 --> 00:28:34,909
so yes I'm extremely open-minded but you

716
00:28:38,379 --> 00:28:36,769
know I can also sniff out BS like

717
00:28:40,389 --> 00:28:38,389
nobody's business and when somebody's

718
00:28:42,940 --> 00:28:40,399
trying to feed me something that is

719
00:28:45,190 --> 00:28:42,950
clearly just absolutely not true and I

720
00:28:47,529 --> 00:28:45,200
feel you know maybe if I if I believe my

721
00:28:51,279 --> 00:28:47,539
lies she will too I just cannot control

722
00:28:54,310 --> 00:28:51,289
myself welcome to my life I mean I go to

723
00:28:56,769 --> 00:28:54,320
conferences where you know you have a

724
00:29:00,039 --> 00:28:56,779
retired military base commander you know

725
00:29:03,310 --> 00:29:00,049
with audio documentation of a UFO event

726
00:29:05,049 --> 00:29:03,320
happening who's risking his career his

727
00:29:07,299 --> 00:29:05,059
pension and coming forward with these

728
00:29:09,669 --> 00:29:07,309
things and then the next speaker up a

729
00:29:12,970 --> 00:29:09,679
guy who says he met blue chicken aliens

730
00:29:17,080 --> 00:29:12,980
and worked on a Mars base with Obama I

731
00:29:19,090 --> 00:29:17,090
mean yeah this is the sad sad state of

732
00:29:22,239 --> 00:29:19,100
affairs when it comes to these topics

733
00:29:24,909 --> 00:29:22,249
paranormal UFOs and the communities that

734
00:29:27,879 --> 00:29:24,919
crop up around these is yes you have

735
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:27,889
very credible people coming forward and

736
00:29:32,739 --> 00:29:29,840
telling stories but there's always that

737
00:29:34,629 --> 00:29:32,749
that shadow that dark shadow behind them

738
00:29:35,590 --> 00:29:34,639
of a charlatan who's gonna take

739
00:29:37,900 --> 00:29:35,600
advantage

740
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:37,910
of people's belief systems so and it

741
00:29:42,910 --> 00:29:40,010
hurts the credibility of everybody

742
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:42,920
involved and that's who the main that's

743
00:29:48,220 --> 00:29:45,770
who the mass media you know hooks on to

744
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:48,230
is the blue chicken Obama Mars guy

745
00:29:52,900 --> 00:29:50,450
they don't look at actual sightings and

746
00:29:54,580 --> 00:29:52,910
say okay this is a UFO what could it be

747
00:29:56,500 --> 00:29:54,590
could it be a military craft could it be

748
00:29:58,350 --> 00:29:56,510
extraterrestrial do we know no we're

749
00:30:00,840 --> 00:29:58,360
just gonna lump in all these legitimate

750
00:30:02,740 --> 00:30:00,850
sightings and with the blue chicken guy

751
00:30:04,450 --> 00:30:02,750
exactly oh man

752
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:04,460
I could we could do an entire episode on

753
00:30:08,500 --> 00:30:06,530
the blue chicken guy but we don't want

754
00:30:10,420 --> 00:30:08,510
to give him that much acknowledgement to

755
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:10,430
be able to be to be fair I've never

756
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:12,170
heard of him so I'm glad blue chicken

757
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:15,410
guy is not on on my radar yet he will be

758
00:30:21,310 --> 00:30:18,860
seeing I'll be sure so you can check him

759
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:21,320
out but um let's get to the first

760
00:30:25,210 --> 00:30:23,210
episode that aired on the CW of

761
00:30:29,500 --> 00:30:25,220
mysteries decoded and that's the Lizzie

762
00:30:32,800 --> 00:30:29,510
Borden murders always been fascinated by

763
00:30:35,890 --> 00:30:32,810
this case i I went to see a play based

764
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:35,900
on it not too long ago actually so it

765
00:30:39,550 --> 00:30:37,490
was pretty fresh in my mind when this

766
00:30:41,050 --> 00:30:39,560
came out so Lizzie Borden what was the

767
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:41,060
experience like first of all working

768
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:45,410
with a paranormal investigator I have my

769
00:30:50,020 --> 00:30:47,410
reservations about people who are

770
00:30:51,610 --> 00:30:50,030
psychic mediums you know Stephanie she's

771
00:30:54,430 --> 00:30:51,620
a psychic medium the paranormal

772
00:30:56,350 --> 00:30:54,440
investigators were there and I just

773
00:30:58,240 --> 00:30:56,360
there called the ghost guys the ghost

774
00:31:01,150 --> 00:30:58,250
guys sometimes I think yeah they're

775
00:31:02,830 --> 00:31:01,160
pretty cool is it started yeah yeah and

776
00:31:04,090 --> 00:31:02,840
pardon me it has been months and months

777
00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:04,100
and months since we shot that that was

778
00:31:07,810 --> 00:31:05,930
the first episode we shot um but I

779
00:31:09,970 --> 00:31:07,820
enjoyed working with them but of course

780
00:31:12,340 --> 00:31:09,980
I went into it thinking she's probably a

781
00:31:16,180 --> 00:31:12,350
liar or a fraud or mentally ill and I

782
00:31:17,470 --> 00:31:16,190
you know I say that just because 95% of

783
00:31:19,330 --> 00:31:17,480
the people who come to me and say

784
00:31:21,580 --> 00:31:19,340
they're psychic it's one of the above

785
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:21,590
and I don't mean mentally ill in a

786
00:31:25,630 --> 00:31:23,810
disparaging way I mean it as a literal

787
00:31:28,540 --> 00:31:25,640
you know I've dealt with mental illness

788
00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:28,550
as well I mean it as in perhaps she

789
00:31:33,130 --> 00:31:30,380
believes these things that are not true

790
00:31:34,450 --> 00:31:33,140
but you know the longer we were there

791
00:31:36,390 --> 00:31:34,460
there were things that I could not

792
00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:36,400
explain and I went into that thinking

793
00:31:40,900 --> 00:31:39,590
guys come on let's just go in here let's

794
00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:40,910
just get this done let's look at the

795
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:43,130
science I didn't expect anything to

796
00:31:47,050 --> 00:31:45,050
happen so when we're in the room and

797
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:47,060
they said can you get down where Abby

798
00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:48,650
Borden was found where Abby Borden's

799
00:31:51,580 --> 00:31:49,250
body was

800
00:31:53,170 --> 00:31:51,590
found sure I got on the floor I wasn't

801
00:31:55,510 --> 00:31:53,180
scared I wasn't nervous I said I'm gonna

802
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:55,520
do this not feel anything get up and you

803
00:31:57,340 --> 00:31:57,170
know go eat my dinner and be fine with

804
00:31:59,320 --> 00:31:57,350
it

805
00:32:00,760 --> 00:31:59,330
when I got down there they were saying

806
00:32:05,890 --> 00:32:00,770
well there's this creature on the bed

807
00:32:08,410 --> 00:32:05,900
and I felt something or someone touched

808
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:08,420
me in the side it was not pressure it

809
00:32:13,390 --> 00:32:10,730
was a poke of static electricity and my

810
00:32:15,220 --> 00:32:13,400
ribs naysayers would say no she's

811
00:32:16,390 --> 00:32:15,230
wanting to think that she's thinking

812
00:32:18,670 --> 00:32:16,400
something was going to happen

813
00:32:20,620 --> 00:32:18,680
no I was thinking my boots are cutting

814
00:32:22,570 --> 00:32:20,630
off my circulation how long do I have to

815
00:32:24,130 --> 00:32:22,580
stand here I'm pretty sure my how long

816
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:24,140
do I have to kneel here I'm pretty sure

817
00:32:27,730 --> 00:32:25,730
my muffin top is hanging out over my

818
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:27,740
pants what's going on I was just

819
00:32:32,770 --> 00:32:30,010
thinking of all these other things and

820
00:32:34,660 --> 00:32:32,780
the CW cut it out of course because it

821
00:32:36,850 --> 00:32:34,670
was profanity but I actually stood up

822
00:32:40,300 --> 00:32:36,860
after I felt the poke and I said [\h__\h]

823
00:32:44,050 --> 00:32:40,310
this we are done I said we are done and

824
00:32:47,020 --> 00:32:44,060
I was very thrown by that I did not

825
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:47,030
expect that and then later you know I I

826
00:32:51,040 --> 00:32:49,370
had never felt that malevolent creature

827
00:32:52,420 --> 00:32:51,050
that they said is next to you and it

828
00:32:54,940 --> 00:32:52,430
looks like it's trying to hit you I

829
00:32:58,420 --> 00:32:54,950
never felt any evil anything like that

830
00:33:01,330 --> 00:32:58,430
I did feel the child that was around and

831
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:01,340
it was this weird euphoric feeling with

832
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:04,250
a hint of affection kind of you know how

833
00:33:07,770 --> 00:33:05,930
it is when my kids are around it was

834
00:33:10,030 --> 00:33:07,780
like this hint of affection and

835
00:33:11,740 --> 00:33:10,040
protectiveness and it was the oddest

836
00:33:13,540 --> 00:33:11,750
thing I've ever felt because Here I am

837
00:33:15,850 --> 00:33:13,550
at a murder scene I should have felt

838
00:33:19,090 --> 00:33:15,860
either bored if I'm a skeptic or nervous

839
00:33:22,450 --> 00:33:19,100
if I'm none I felt the euphoria and I

840
00:33:25,270 --> 00:33:22,460
felt that several times and Stephanie

841
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:25,280
said to me later during a few of those

842
00:33:29,740 --> 00:33:27,130
times she said the child is back I

843
00:33:31,840 --> 00:33:29,750
didn't say anything to her I didn't say

844
00:33:33,700 --> 00:33:31,850
this is how I feel she looked at me and

845
00:33:34,660 --> 00:33:33,710
said do you feel her she's next to you

846
00:33:37,900 --> 00:33:34,670
mm-hmm

847
00:33:39,910 --> 00:33:37,910
so I still can't say what Stephanie is

848
00:33:42,100 --> 00:33:39,920
and what she isn't but I can tell you

849
00:33:43,930 --> 00:33:42,110
that there were several times I felt

850
00:33:45,130 --> 00:33:43,940
something I didn't say anything I didn't

851
00:33:48,250 --> 00:33:45,140
look a certain way I was minding my own

852
00:33:51,550 --> 00:33:48,260
business and she said to me the child is

853
00:33:54,610 --> 00:33:51,560
back so maybe it's possible she sees

854
00:33:56,740 --> 00:33:54,620
things that we do not I don't know and

855
00:33:58,690 --> 00:33:56,750
I'm not ready to discount that because

856
00:34:00,850 --> 00:33:58,700
we don't understand how Souls work or

857
00:34:02,350 --> 00:34:00,860
different dimensions or you know we

858
00:34:02,950 --> 00:34:02,360
don't understand that so even as a

859
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:02,960
skeptic

860
00:34:07,269 --> 00:34:04,520
Who am I to say oh that doesn't exist

861
00:34:09,820 --> 00:34:07,279
right and you know I'm sort of glad that

862
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:09,830
the episode really teetering on both

863
00:34:14,500 --> 00:34:11,690
ends of the spectrum you know you've got

864
00:34:18,700 --> 00:34:14,510
the sort of paranormal angle of trying

865
00:34:21,129 --> 00:34:18,710
to possibly communicate with spirits in

866
00:34:24,010 --> 00:34:21,139
terms of trying to solve this case which

867
00:34:26,020 --> 00:34:24,020
is you know an interesting way to go

868
00:34:28,720 --> 00:34:26,030
obviously but then you have the other

869
00:34:30,490 --> 00:34:28,730
side of it to where you you spoke to an

870
00:34:33,369 --> 00:34:30,500
author of the book that about Lizzie

871
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:33,379
Borden or um who was the other gentleman

872
00:34:41,020 --> 00:34:35,119
he was like a crime-scene investigator

873
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,030
or yes Esav right yes yes so he yes so

874
00:34:44,970 --> 00:34:42,800
he was a detective and he had worked as

875
00:34:47,589 --> 00:34:44,980
a crime-scene investigator for years and

876
00:34:49,389 --> 00:34:47,599
it's funny because of course you know as

877
00:34:51,129 --> 00:34:49,399
we shoot it's you know two or three

878
00:34:54,339 --> 00:34:51,139
hours and then it becomes a two to three

879
00:34:57,550 --> 00:34:54,349
minute scene but he was really

880
00:34:59,290 --> 00:34:57,560
interesting and he gave me a perspective

881
00:35:01,120 --> 00:34:59,300
as to because people said well Lizzie

882
00:35:03,160 --> 00:35:01,130
couldn't have done it because many

883
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:03,170
sources said she was left-handed and he

884
00:35:07,660 --> 00:35:06,290
showed in fact if she was left-handed as

885
00:35:09,820 --> 00:35:07,670
sources have indicated she absolutely

886
00:35:12,190 --> 00:35:09,830
could have done it she could have come

887
00:35:14,079 --> 00:35:12,200
up behind Andrew Borden on the couch and

888
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:14,089
did it that way and that would have

889
00:35:18,130 --> 00:35:16,250
explained the spatter it also would have

890
00:35:20,530 --> 00:35:18,140
made sense because if you're about to

891
00:35:22,030 --> 00:35:20,540
murder your own father you know do you

892
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:22,040
want to be looking right at him as you

893
00:35:25,660 --> 00:35:23,810
plunge that hatchet into his face or is

894
00:35:28,930 --> 00:35:25,670
it kind of more palatable to stand

895
00:35:30,849 --> 00:35:28,940
behind and do a sneak attack so he was

896
00:35:34,210 --> 00:35:30,859
really really interesting and and I wish

897
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:34,220
I wish that that scene could have been

898
00:35:37,630 --> 00:35:35,810
longer because he provided so much

899
00:35:41,140 --> 00:35:37,640
science behind it as far as blood

900
00:35:44,109 --> 00:35:41,150
spatter trajectory it was fascinating

901
00:35:49,240 --> 00:35:44,119
talking to him I'm sure and I mean sort

902
00:35:50,620 --> 00:35:49,250
of going out of this episode I mean I

903
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:50,630
don't know about you I lean more on the

904
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:53,570
side that she definitely did this I mean

905
00:35:57,130 --> 00:35:55,490
there were some pieces of evidence that

906
00:35:59,920 --> 00:35:57,140
you guys found that I'd never heard

907
00:36:03,460 --> 00:35:59,930
before that really convinced at least

908
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:03,470
for me all paranormal stuff aside that

909
00:36:07,810 --> 00:36:06,050
that Lizzie was not the person that a

910
00:36:11,620 --> 00:36:07,820
lot of people think she was saying there

911
00:36:13,390 --> 00:36:11,630
was for that well I I absolutely believe

912
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:13,400
that she did it and if she was a man

913
00:36:16,580 --> 00:36:16,010
there would be no discussion about it

914
00:36:19,190 --> 00:36:16,590
but there were

915
00:36:21,170 --> 00:36:19,200
so many things that just didn't make

916
00:36:22,850 --> 00:36:21,180
sense and there's you know and Stephanie

917
00:36:23,630 --> 00:36:22,860
said the woman I talked to she could not

918
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:23,640
have done this

919
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:25,770
listen plenty of people do bad things

920
00:36:31,430 --> 00:36:28,770
and have remorse if I believed that she

921
00:36:33,140 --> 00:36:31,440
was talking to Lizzie Borden that's

922
00:36:34,610 --> 00:36:33,150
quite possible that she has remorse it's

923
00:36:36,170 --> 00:36:34,620
quite possible she was a changed person

924
00:36:37,090 --> 00:36:36,180
it's quite possible she lived the rest

925
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:37,100
of her life

926
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:39,570
upset and sickened by what she had done

927
00:36:43,550 --> 00:36:42,210
but at the same time you know there was

928
00:36:45,770 --> 00:36:43,560
a quote that was cut out

929
00:36:49,100 --> 00:36:45,780
I said Lizzie Borden is the first

930
00:36:51,650 --> 00:36:49,110
documented case of affluenza because she

931
00:36:54,230 --> 00:36:51,660
murdered her parents and then bought

932
00:36:55,700 --> 00:36:54,240
this huge estate with the blood money

933
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:55,710
and lived in that for the rest of her

934
00:37:00,950 --> 00:36:58,560
life that was sent that was a level of

935
00:37:03,320 --> 00:37:00,960
you know that was what she that was how

936
00:37:05,030 --> 00:37:03,330
she wanted to live and then as soon as

937
00:37:07,130 --> 00:37:05,040
her parents were dead you know she she

938
00:37:09,770 --> 00:37:07,140
moves into this sprawling estate she got

939
00:37:10,460 --> 00:37:09,780
exactly what she wanted so there were so

940
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:10,470
many things that were inappropriate

941
00:37:14,810 --> 00:37:12,210
another thing that was cut out was the

942
00:37:18,410 --> 00:37:14,820
all-male jury there was a photo of them

943
00:37:20,630 --> 00:37:18,420
that we showed in the program they sent

944
00:37:22,730 --> 00:37:20,640
Lizzie Borden this photo of them like

945
00:37:25,850 --> 00:37:22,740
some sort of weird fan club I thought

946
00:37:29,150 --> 00:37:25,860
what is going on here you know it was

947
00:37:30,860 --> 00:37:29,160
everything about it was just off the

948
00:37:33,530 --> 00:37:30,870
walls and Rebecca Pittman the author we

949
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:33,540
interviewed her book is almost 900 pages

950
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:35,400
and I had gone through the court

951
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:36,810
documents and I had looked at all of the

952
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:39,210
things she had provided and she spent

953
00:37:44,150 --> 00:37:41,010
years of her life putting this together

954
00:37:45,950 --> 00:37:44,160
and it was very persuasive she was

955
00:37:48,470 --> 00:37:45,960
dealing with primary source documents

956
00:37:50,330 --> 00:37:48,480
she's not going off of hearsay right and

957
00:37:52,310 --> 00:37:50,340
the fact that she has those documents

958
00:37:54,650 --> 00:37:52,320
from so long ago I mean that's that's

959
00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:54,660
digging beyond like some surface level

960
00:37:59,120 --> 00:37:57,240
look at this case that's like it gets to

961
00:38:02,240 --> 00:37:59,130
the point of almost an obsession but

962
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:02,250
again that's when authors really they

963
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:04,490
have a lot of power and they can change

964
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:07,110
they can ultimately change history at

965
00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:11,010
times mm-hmm yes no Rebecca was amazing

966
00:38:16,630 --> 00:38:14,130
she definitely I mean she put a lot of

967
00:38:19,370 --> 00:38:16,640
time and effort into that but she was

968
00:38:22,310 --> 00:38:19,380
spot-on anything that I asked her that I

969
00:38:24,740 --> 00:38:22,320
wasn't clear about from looking at court

970
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:24,750
records or you know reading witness

971
00:38:29,250 --> 00:38:27,150
accounts she knew the answer right away

972
00:38:31,290 --> 00:38:29,260
there was nothing that she had to say

973
00:38:32,580 --> 00:38:31,300
I mean look that up and if she didn't

974
00:38:34,470 --> 00:38:32,590
know she would say well that's not

975
00:38:36,570 --> 00:38:34,480
really well known I've looked into it

976
00:38:39,410 --> 00:38:36,580
here here here here and then I had also

977
00:38:42,500 --> 00:38:39,420
read the book from the Fall River

978
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:42,510
Historical Association and that was a

979
00:38:48,030 --> 00:38:45,490
very very thick book it was hard to find

980
00:38:51,510 --> 00:38:48,040
I had to interlibrary loan it from

981
00:38:53,850 --> 00:38:51,520
university in Austin at a university in

982
00:38:55,710 --> 00:38:53,860
Austin and they sent it to me and you

983
00:38:59,640 --> 00:38:55,720
know they're very much of the belief

984
00:39:01,380 --> 00:38:59,650
that she did not commit this crime I I

985
00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:01,390
just don't see how it's possible that

986
00:39:06,300 --> 00:39:03,760
anybody else could have it doesn't make

987
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:06,310
any sense and if she had a penis she

988
00:39:13,110 --> 00:39:10,810
would have been convicted case closed

989
00:39:14,940 --> 00:39:13,120
it does require a penis you know to be

990
00:39:21,390 --> 00:39:14,950
murder it does not require a penis it

991
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:21,400
just does not thank you all right well

992
00:39:29,730 --> 00:39:26,560
moving from penises to the moth oh my

993
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:29,740
gosh Mothman you met a first-hand

994
00:39:33,780 --> 00:39:32,230
witness of Mothman which was really cool

995
00:39:36,570 --> 00:39:33,790
you also worked with one of my good

996
00:39:39,570 --> 00:39:36,580
colleagues MJ benign asan this episode

997
00:39:41,820 --> 00:39:39,580
and I gotta ask what was this experience

998
00:39:44,250 --> 00:39:41,830
like what did you make of Mothman before

999
00:39:46,140 --> 00:39:44,260
this and what was your what were your

1000
00:39:49,410 --> 00:39:46,150
first impressions when you got there -

1001
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:49,420
uh - Point Pleasant West Virginia well

1002
00:39:54,060 --> 00:39:52,000
I'll say that I had not heard of Mothman

1003
00:39:55,140 --> 00:39:54,070
outside of just being familiar with the

1004
00:39:57,150 --> 00:39:55,150
Mothman Prophecies

1005
00:40:00,990 --> 00:39:57,160
it was not something that was well-known

1006
00:40:02,790 --> 00:40:01,000
to me when we went to West Virginia you

1007
00:40:05,070 --> 00:40:02,800
know I'm a country girl at heart I grew

1008
00:40:07,020 --> 00:40:05,080
up in a very rural area I still go to

1009
00:40:09,030 --> 00:40:07,030
the rodeo people say there's a rodeo in

1010
00:40:13,110 --> 00:40:09,040
California I do I go to the rodeo you

1011
00:40:14,910 --> 00:40:13,120
know that that is kind of the place I

1012
00:40:18,150 --> 00:40:14,920
like to be so when we went to West

1013
00:40:21,690 --> 00:40:18,160
Virginia it was just wonderful the

1014
00:40:23,310 --> 00:40:21,700
people were amazing and it was really

1015
00:40:25,530 --> 00:40:23,320
really nice they were incredibly

1016
00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:25,540
welcoming when I first started looking

1017
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:28,180
into it I I thought you know this had to

1018
00:40:33,930 --> 00:40:31,090
be some moonshine and you know cowboys

1019
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:33,940
who were just out out seeing something

1020
00:40:37,860 --> 00:40:35,650
right just out in the middle of the

1021
00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:37,870
woods but the more that I looked into it

1022
00:40:42,930 --> 00:40:41,290
I thought this cannot be where all of

1023
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:42,940
these people come forward and there's

1024
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:45,760
same thing what I believe happened with

1025
00:40:49,770 --> 00:40:48,010
Mothman was there had to have been

1026
00:40:51,410 --> 00:40:49,780
something in the beginning because there

1027
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:51,420
are too many witness accounts that match

1028
00:40:55,529 --> 00:40:53,890
the police would call people in they'd

1029
00:40:57,930 --> 00:40:55,539
immediately separate them have them

1030
00:40:59,460 --> 00:40:57,940
write it down on paper and the accounts

1031
00:41:02,819 --> 00:40:59,470
would match there were so many

1032
00:41:05,150 --> 00:41:02,829
legitimate sightings and then then I

1033
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:05,160
think after that it kind of became

1034
00:41:09,059 --> 00:41:07,690
Mothman was the default people would see

1035
00:41:10,410 --> 00:41:09,069
something they thought it was Mothman

1036
00:41:12,870 --> 00:41:10,420
and I get it it's a kind of mass

1037
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:12,880
hysteria that follows that but there was

1038
00:41:16,799 --> 00:41:14,319
something in the beginning know what

1039
00:41:18,779 --> 00:41:16,809
that is I don't know there was something

1040
00:41:21,299 --> 00:41:18,789
that MJ and I discussed that was you

1041
00:41:24,359 --> 00:41:21,309
know also didn't survive the edit there

1042
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:24,369
is a concept in many indigenous cultures

1043
00:41:28,620 --> 00:41:26,890
of thought forms so basically a thought

1044
00:41:30,510 --> 00:41:28,630
form and this is a very lay person's

1045
00:41:33,359 --> 00:41:30,520
definition I'm not an expert in the

1046
00:41:35,940 --> 00:41:33,369
subject but from what I've read of it if

1047
00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:35,950
enough people believe in some things

1048
00:41:41,279 --> 00:41:39,369
existence think of the mind power that

1049
00:41:43,260 --> 00:41:41,289
comes from that we don't understand the

1050
00:41:45,660 --> 00:41:43,270
power of the brain we don't understand

1051
00:41:47,279 --> 00:41:45,670
exactly how it works so if you have

1052
00:41:49,170 --> 00:41:47,289
dozens of people hundreds of people

1053
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:49,180
thousands of people believing that

1054
00:41:55,349 --> 00:41:51,970
something exists a thought form is

1055
00:41:58,079 --> 00:41:55,359
basically where it is willed into being

1056
00:42:00,029 --> 00:41:58,089
now this could be a sight or a sound or

1057
00:42:01,890 --> 00:42:00,039
a presence it doesn't necessarily mean

1058
00:42:04,200 --> 00:42:01,900
that all these people believe Mothman

1059
00:42:06,450 --> 00:42:04,210
exists and then a creature is created

1060
00:42:10,140 --> 00:42:06,460
that lives and breathes and walks it's

1061
00:42:12,539 --> 00:42:10,150
not that it's just kind of this this

1062
00:42:14,549 --> 00:42:12,549
thought form this being that's there so

1063
00:42:17,910 --> 00:42:14,559
do I think that that possibly could have

1064
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:17,920
happened later on I do because we don't

1065
00:42:23,250 --> 00:42:19,930
know enough about the brain to say

1066
00:42:25,579 --> 00:42:23,260
that's not a possibility MJ was so

1067
00:42:29,099 --> 00:42:25,589
well-read he was so well-spoken

1068
00:42:31,529 --> 00:42:29,109
he's so intelligent I loved shooting

1069
00:42:34,500 --> 00:42:31,539
with him yeah yeah I was always

1070
00:42:37,650 --> 00:42:34,510
fascinated me about MJ is this cultural

1071
00:42:40,349 --> 00:42:37,660
approach he takes to the paranormal it's

1072
00:42:42,450 --> 00:42:40,359
not just like oh I believe in Bigfoot or

1073
00:42:44,910 --> 00:42:42,460
I believe in the Mothman it's okay well

1074
00:42:47,970 --> 00:42:44,920
let's look throughout the decades of how

1075
00:42:51,269 --> 00:42:47,980
these stories either manifested or

1076
00:42:54,269 --> 00:42:51,279
changed or how culture or belief systems

1077
00:42:55,820 --> 00:42:54,279
impact you know what we're seeing or

1078
00:42:57,350 --> 00:42:55,830
think we're seeing

1079
00:42:59,720 --> 00:42:57,360
you know a lot of people connect the

1080
00:43:01,970 --> 00:42:59,730
Mothman now to this Silver Bridge

1081
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:01,980
collapse when in reality when you really

1082
00:43:06,710 --> 00:43:04,290
look at the string of events there were

1083
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:06,720
there was not that many sightings of the

1084
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:07,290
Mothman

1085
00:43:12,110 --> 00:43:09,930
at the Silver Bridge anyway it happens

1086
00:43:14,090 --> 00:43:12,120
to be you know what like you said a

1087
00:43:17,120 --> 00:43:14,100
default like this horrible tragedy

1088
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:17,130
happens in a small town let's go to the

1089
00:43:22,670 --> 00:43:20,010
closest thing this harbinger of doom as

1090
00:43:25,310 --> 00:43:22,680
it were the Mothman and people want to

1091
00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:25,320
assign to be fair people want to assign

1092
00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:28,770
meaning to tragedy you know you saw this

1093
00:43:33,170 --> 00:43:31,380
after you know not not to get political

1094
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,180
I won't but you saw this after after

1095
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:35,280
9/11 I'll keep it on a historical note

1096
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:38,640
you know people they were thirsty for

1097
00:43:43,490 --> 00:43:41,010
vengeance and it made people feel good

1098
00:43:45,590 --> 00:43:43,500
to say hey we are going to go after

1099
00:43:47,060 --> 00:43:45,600
these people that caused 9/11 it gave

1100
00:43:49,430 --> 00:43:47,070
them a purpose now I'm not saying that

1101
00:43:52,130 --> 00:43:49,440
was right or wrong what I'm just saying

1102
00:43:54,860 --> 00:43:52,140
is that is a natural reaction to tragedy

1103
00:43:56,750 --> 00:43:54,870
you want to lash out at somebody you

1104
00:43:59,960 --> 00:43:56,760
want to get even you want to assign

1105
00:44:01,760 --> 00:43:59,970
blame and and that's absolutely

1106
00:44:05,270 --> 00:44:01,770
understandable and I think when you're

1107
00:44:07,910 --> 00:44:05,280
dealing with a tragedy like that you

1108
00:44:11,120 --> 00:44:07,920
know they don't necessarily at the time

1109
00:44:12,830 --> 00:44:11,130
know that the bridge was made for this

1110
00:44:14,570 --> 00:44:12,840
amount of traffic and this is the weight

1111
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:14,580
that's now in the bridge it hadn't been

1112
00:44:20,060 --> 00:44:17,130
regularly inspected that's not something

1113
00:44:21,860 --> 00:44:20,070
back in those times where they can go

1114
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:21,870
online and say hmm when was this bred

1115
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:24,210
bridge last inspected so of course

1116
00:44:28,790 --> 00:44:27,090
rather than lashing out you know where

1117
00:44:31,010 --> 00:44:28,800
the blame should have been it was it

1118
00:44:33,170 --> 00:44:31,020
said okay well maybe it was this this is

1119
00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:33,180
what I saw I saw this too and and it

1120
00:44:38,690 --> 00:44:36,300
became Mothman it became that he was the

1121
00:44:40,940 --> 00:44:38,700
one not necessarily to blame but he was

1122
00:44:43,430 --> 00:44:40,950
the one that was there warning them of

1123
00:44:45,500 --> 00:44:43,440
this impending doom giving a face to

1124
00:44:48,350 --> 00:44:45,510
like the things that we can't explain

1125
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:48,360
are the things we fear it's how we deal

1126
00:44:53,480 --> 00:44:49,890
with it I think that's such a good point

1127
00:44:55,790 --> 00:44:53,490
and I mean right yeah and you guys also

1128
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:55,800
came out with some really interesting

1129
00:44:59,510 --> 00:44:57,480
evidence for this episode I won't give

1130
00:45:01,700 --> 00:44:59,520
it away too much because all of these

1131
00:45:03,860 --> 00:45:01,710
episodes are free to stream right now I

1132
00:45:06,450 --> 00:45:03,870
highly suggest people check them out

1133
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:06,460
over at CW seed but this I

1134
00:45:12,630 --> 00:45:09,490
this photo you guys had in the episode I

1135
00:45:15,630 --> 00:45:12,640
think that that that photo has been

1136
00:45:17,670 --> 00:45:15,640
going around for years now a lot of

1137
00:45:21,030 --> 00:45:17,680
people say this is evidence the Mothman

1138
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:21,040
exists and I think you guys hit the nail

1139
00:45:24,540 --> 00:45:23,170
on the head with the photo the analysis

1140
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:24,550
that was done on it and what it actually

1141
00:45:31,740 --> 00:45:27,520
was I won't give it away but I reckon it

1142
00:45:36,839 --> 00:45:31,750
was 100% the answer to that photograph

1143
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:36,849
in my eye was I mean so we won't say

1144
00:45:41,550 --> 00:45:39,130
it's one say we won't say what the photo

1145
00:45:43,260 --> 00:45:41,560
but I will just say that you know this

1146
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:43,270
photo that was supposedly taken by a

1147
00:45:48,599 --> 00:45:45,609
hunter who wants to remain anonymous

1148
00:45:51,900 --> 00:45:48,609
Jen's work was so thorough that in my

1149
00:45:54,599 --> 00:45:51,910
private practice I want to use her for a

1150
00:45:56,310 --> 00:45:54,609
tea for any audio or visual audio or

1151
00:45:58,050 --> 00:45:56,320
video forensics that I need because I

1152
00:46:00,300 --> 00:45:58,060
was so impressed with her she gave me

1153
00:46:01,890 --> 00:46:00,310
information I did not go into that

1154
00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:01,900
thinking that it was going to work out

1155
00:46:06,390 --> 00:46:03,580
the way that it did I went into their

1156
00:46:09,690 --> 00:46:06,400
thinking no no I am pretty sure that you

1157
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:09,700
know the photo is a B or C and she

1158
00:46:14,849 --> 00:46:11,770
shocked the hell out of me I mean the

1159
00:46:17,700 --> 00:46:14,859
face that I'd show that's not an acting

1160
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:17,710
face that is a what the hell I did not

1161
00:46:19,470 --> 00:46:19,180
think that she was going to say that to

1162
00:46:22,230 --> 00:46:19,480
me

1163
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:22,240
yeah and I sort of went in being like oh

1164
00:46:25,859 --> 00:46:24,010
yeah she's gonna prove it was hoaxed or

1165
00:46:29,130 --> 00:46:25,869
like whatever the other thing in the

1166
00:46:31,859 --> 00:46:29,140
image is was like brushed into there CGI

1167
00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:31,869
- whatever but yeah her answer to it I

1168
00:46:36,780 --> 00:46:34,930
was a yup boom done so I highly suggest

1169
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:36,790
people go to the episode to see what

1170
00:46:41,540 --> 00:46:40,570
we're talking about what do you think of

1171
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:41,550
this idea

1172
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:44,650
wrapping up Mothman this is the same

1173
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:46,810
thing you and I came across with Roswell

1174
00:46:53,339 --> 00:46:50,800
as well is this idea that a town that

1175
00:46:56,730 --> 00:46:53,349
may not have been known for much now

1176
00:46:59,220 --> 00:46:56,740
part of the cultural zeitgeist of the

1177
00:47:01,890 --> 00:46:59,230
paranormal or you Falah djegal they

1178
00:47:04,050 --> 00:47:01,900
become prosperous because of this event

1179
00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:04,060
in their town what do you make of that

1180
00:47:08,910 --> 00:47:06,430
to be fair there was probably one or two

1181
00:47:11,609 --> 00:47:08,920
people that misconstrued what I said on

1182
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:11,619
the show about basically profiting from

1183
00:47:18,870 --> 00:47:14,650
disaster so so I'll try to be more clear

1184
00:47:20,140 --> 00:47:18,880
here you cannot say that the town of

1185
00:47:22,359 --> 00:47:20,150
Point Pleasant has not

1186
00:47:25,380 --> 00:47:22,369
profited from the lore of Mothman it

1187
00:47:27,460 --> 00:47:25,390
absolutely has people go there because

1188
00:47:30,220 --> 00:47:27,470
Mothman has you know it's very prevalent

1189
00:47:33,569 --> 00:47:30,230
they have a museum there it's very much

1190
00:47:36,849 --> 00:47:33,579
a tourist draw now with that being said

1191
00:47:38,890 --> 00:47:36,859
they did not profit off of the collapse

1192
00:47:40,660 --> 00:47:38,900
of the Silver Bridge that was the worst

1193
00:47:43,529 --> 00:47:40,670
bridge disaster in US history

1194
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:43,539
no one is profiting off the tragedy

1195
00:47:49,150 --> 00:47:46,970
Mothman became inextricably linked to

1196
00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:49,160
the Silver Bridge collapse but the fact

1197
00:47:53,769 --> 00:47:51,230
that Mothman is alive and well in their

1198
00:47:56,170 --> 00:47:53,779
town as far as lore I don't put that

1199
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,180
with the Silver Bridge collapse so I

1200
00:48:00,579 --> 00:47:58,160
think that it's one of those things

1201
00:48:02,319 --> 00:48:00,589
that's a sleepy town it's kind of

1202
00:48:04,809 --> 00:48:02,329
something fun when you remove it from

1203
00:48:06,819 --> 00:48:04,819
the tragedy and you own look only look

1204
00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:06,829
at it in a paranormal lens it's kind of

1205
00:48:11,710 --> 00:48:09,770
fun it's kind of kitschy and you know I

1206
00:48:14,829 --> 00:48:11,720
think they've done a good job at kind of

1207
00:48:17,140 --> 00:48:14,839
marketing the town in this way and they

1208
00:48:20,019 --> 00:48:17,150
they have a festival every year but I

1209
00:48:22,599 --> 00:48:20,029
will be clear that community is affected

1210
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:22,609
by the Silver Bridge collapse it is

1211
00:48:27,309 --> 00:48:24,770
something very traumatic and very tragic

1212
00:48:30,130 --> 00:48:27,319
for them and I didn't meet anybody who

1213
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:30,140
wasn't affected by it by one way or

1214
00:48:33,940 --> 00:48:31,970
another they all have relatives who

1215
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:33,950
either died or knew someone who died

1216
00:48:39,279 --> 00:48:37,010
it's a very small closely knit town so

1217
00:48:40,990 --> 00:48:39,289
while I think that Mothman is a very

1218
00:48:43,539 --> 00:48:41,000
kitschy and very cute and it's a tourist

1219
00:48:47,680 --> 00:48:43,549
straw there and I loved the people of

1220
00:48:50,049 --> 00:48:47,690
Point Pleasant I don't see it as at all

1221
00:48:51,700 --> 00:48:50,059
as them profiting from any you know from

1222
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:51,710
the death and destruction that happened

1223
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:53,690
with the Silver Bridge collapse you have

1224
00:48:58,750 --> 00:48:56,450
to you know parse those you have to take

1225
00:49:00,460 --> 00:48:58,760
them as two separates two separate

1226
00:49:01,930 --> 00:49:00,470
issues if that makes sense yes there are

1227
00:49:04,210 --> 00:49:01,940
links but you have to take it as two

1228
00:49:06,490 --> 00:49:04,220
separate issues nobody there thinks it's

1229
00:49:08,799 --> 00:49:06,500
okay to profit off the death of of all

1230
00:49:10,870 --> 00:49:08,809
those people who perished exactly I

1231
00:49:13,420 --> 00:49:10,880
think you guys sort of summed it up best

1232
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:13,430
when you said like end of the day no

1233
00:49:17,349 --> 00:49:15,049
matter what you think about Mothman the

1234
00:49:19,900 --> 00:49:17,359
Silver Bridge collapse is a tragedy and

1235
00:49:22,750 --> 00:49:19,910
it should be treated as such and you

1236
00:49:23,819 --> 00:49:22,760
know that is the case with a lot of sort

1237
00:49:26,260 --> 00:49:23,829
of mystery

1238
00:49:28,539 --> 00:49:26,270
mysteries that occur you know whether

1239
00:49:30,910 --> 00:49:28,549
it's the Bermuda Triangle where people

1240
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:30,920
disappear forever like yeah it's a

1241
00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:32,330
lowering and

1242
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:34,610
and intriguing to think Oh some

1243
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:36,860
paranormal or a weird thing happened

1244
00:49:42,070 --> 00:49:39,920
into the day someone died you know if

1245
00:49:43,480 --> 00:49:42,080
someone's missing so we got to keep

1246
00:49:44,980 --> 00:49:43,490
those things into perspective and I

1247
00:49:47,890 --> 00:49:44,990
think you guys did such a good job at

1248
00:49:51,700 --> 00:49:47,900
focusing on the human impact that the

1249
00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:51,710
this event had and completely separated

1250
00:49:56,830 --> 00:49:54,500
it from mom and and well thank you I I

1251
00:49:58,260 --> 00:49:56,840
do want to share something they got cut

1252
00:50:02,110 --> 00:49:58,270
yes please

1253
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:02,120
MJ and I were so annoyed that we didn't

1254
00:50:07,810 --> 00:50:04,370
find anything in the forest we were in

1255
00:50:09,460 --> 00:50:07,820
the woods just running around and you

1256
00:50:11,950 --> 00:50:09,470
know we're trying to find something and

1257
00:50:14,500 --> 00:50:11,960
and were you know we're open to this and

1258
00:50:17,830 --> 00:50:14,510
there was nothing even scary it was just

1259
00:50:19,930 --> 00:50:17,840
beautiful and we just loved being out

1260
00:50:22,570 --> 00:50:19,940
there it was gorgeous and we left there

1261
00:50:24,850 --> 00:50:22,580
and we were driving back so grumpy we

1262
00:50:26,650 --> 00:50:24,860
saw nothing we saw nothing because this

1263
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:26,660
was right after we shot head shot Lizzie

1264
00:50:29,860 --> 00:50:28,130
borne and I had shot Lizzie Borden so I

1265
00:50:31,330 --> 00:50:29,870
went into this thinking we're going to

1266
00:50:33,160 --> 00:50:31,340
see nothing and we wouldn't see

1267
00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:33,170
something and when we saw nothing it was

1268
00:50:37,210 --> 00:50:35,930
such a letdown but the investigator in

1269
00:50:38,740 --> 00:50:37,220
me should have known you're not gonna

1270
00:50:40,510 --> 00:50:38,750
see anything just go out for a midnight

1271
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:40,520
stroll in the woods and be okay with

1272
00:50:45,760 --> 00:50:43,520
that yeah that's tough I mean welcome to

1273
00:50:48,490 --> 00:50:45,770
paranormal investors right people don't

1274
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:48,500
know like even these ghost hunting shows

1275
00:50:52,870 --> 00:50:50,330
you know some of them are probably a

1276
00:50:55,630 --> 00:50:52,880
little staged or whatnot but they are

1277
00:50:59,050 --> 00:50:55,640
there for like you know hours on end

1278
00:51:00,640 --> 00:50:59,060
with nothing happening yes the minute

1279
00:51:03,190 --> 00:51:00,650
something happens that's why you see

1280
00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:03,200
every ghost hunting show be like what

1281
00:51:08,050 --> 00:51:05,690
was that and they cut to commercial come

1282
00:51:11,530 --> 00:51:08,060
back someone knocked over the tripod

1283
00:51:14,770 --> 00:51:11,540
right right now the stage thing the

1284
00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:14,780
pilot podcast who did who reviewed the

1285
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:17,690
pilot or Lizzie Borden episode of of

1286
00:51:21,490 --> 00:51:19,490
mysteries decoded it was funny because

1287
00:51:23,290 --> 00:51:21,500
speaking of staging they said you know

1288
00:51:24,910 --> 00:51:23,300
Jennifer's having breakfast with

1289
00:51:26,710 --> 00:51:24,920
Stephanie the next morning and her hair

1290
00:51:29,260 --> 00:51:26,720
is good and she's been through hair and

1291
00:51:32,770 --> 00:51:29,270
makeup I just want to say I had not been

1292
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:32,780
through hair and makeup I had not I just

1293
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:35,210
use a very good setting lotion and I can

1294
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:36,770
sleep and my curls will be there in the

1295
00:51:40,270 --> 00:51:38,000
morning they'll be loose but they'll be

1296
00:51:42,940 --> 00:51:40,280
there and you know when we were eating

1297
00:51:44,710 --> 00:51:42,950
breakfast my breakfast was disappearing

1298
00:51:45,940 --> 00:51:44,720
pretty quickly so I'll say this if

1299
00:51:47,710 --> 00:51:45,950
you're watching the show

1300
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:47,720
you see a continuity error like that

1301
00:51:52,690 --> 00:51:50,060
it's because and it happened in Roswell

1302
00:51:54,970 --> 00:51:52,700
too we are shooting we're not worried

1303
00:51:57,400 --> 00:51:54,980
about refilling food so it looks good on

1304
00:52:00,160 --> 00:51:57,410
camera we are worried about getting an

1305
00:52:01,300 --> 00:52:00,170
in-depth conversation this is not acting

1306
00:52:04,359 --> 00:52:01,310
you know when you and I were at the

1307
00:52:06,700 --> 00:52:04,369
diner in Roswell we were talking and

1308
00:52:08,710 --> 00:52:06,710
eating and yes you know the way they

1309
00:52:11,380 --> 00:52:08,720
edit it sometimes it'll go from half a

1310
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,390
burrito - no burrito but that's but

1311
00:52:15,940 --> 00:52:13,520
that's because they're taking three

1312
00:52:20,500 --> 00:52:15,950
minutes of an hour-long conversation so

1313
00:52:22,060 --> 00:52:20,510
yes those continuity errors do exist try

1314
00:52:23,829 --> 00:52:22,070
not to look into them so much because

1315
00:52:25,690 --> 00:52:23,839
we're trying to be realistic and

1316
00:52:28,270 --> 00:52:25,700
honestly as an investigator if I'm

1317
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:28,280
worried about what level of food is on

1318
00:52:31,650 --> 00:52:29,810
my plate you're not gonna get the best

1319
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:31,660
questions coming out of my mouth and

1320
00:52:36,460 --> 00:52:34,130
again that's why it's cryptic reality

1321
00:52:37,990 --> 00:52:36,470
people like they're in even more with

1322
00:52:41,079 --> 00:52:38,000
mysteries decoded than most of these

1323
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:41,089
shows is the reality aspect of it like

1324
00:52:46,349 --> 00:52:44,570
there's so little acting or scripts when

1325
00:52:49,990 --> 00:52:46,359
it comes to the show and I respect

1326
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:50,000
Morningstar and CW for allowing that

1327
00:52:56,890 --> 00:52:53,599
that you know that openness to both you

1328
00:52:59,109 --> 00:52:56,900
your co-investigators and the people you

1329
00:53:02,079 --> 00:52:59,119
interview is there's not a lot of

1330
00:53:04,359 --> 00:53:02,089
structure we're literally going in to

1331
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:04,369
investigate and they they let you do

1332
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:05,930
what you do best and that's to

1333
00:53:10,930 --> 00:53:08,810
investigate so I completely understand

1334
00:53:14,500 --> 00:53:10,940
that and I remember after the Roswell

1335
00:53:15,940 --> 00:53:14,510
special people's primary question for me

1336
00:53:17,620 --> 00:53:15,950
not what do you think I've been at

1337
00:53:19,930 --> 00:53:17,630
Roswell what do you think of the medal

1338
00:53:21,700 --> 00:53:19,940
see you guys found the question was did

1339
00:53:24,030 --> 00:53:21,710
you eat that entire burrito because that

1340
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:27,190
did you ever burrito - yeah I had the I

1341
00:53:32,650 --> 00:53:29,810
think it was the alien burrito they

1342
00:53:35,319 --> 00:53:32,660
called it they were so good and I

1343
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:35,329
remember it was amazing it was so good

1344
00:53:39,160 --> 00:53:37,490
and and there is an Easter Egg the

1345
00:53:41,740 --> 00:53:39,170
executive producer is sitting at a table

1346
00:53:43,480 --> 00:53:41,750
behind us you guys watch it the

1347
00:53:44,859 --> 00:53:43,490
executive producers there and it's funny

1348
00:53:46,270 --> 00:53:44,869
because I remember they were like okay

1349
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:46,280
we're getting we're you know we're

1350
00:53:49,300 --> 00:53:47,690
leaving to go she to the next place and

1351
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:49,310
I said okay I'm gonna finish this

1352
00:53:53,290 --> 00:53:50,690
burrito and they're like we're on a

1353
00:53:54,970 --> 00:53:53,300
schedule I'm like okay yeah burrito

1354
00:53:56,970 --> 00:53:54,980
because this burrito is good and we sat

1355
00:53:59,259 --> 00:53:56,980
there in a tie means the Purita was

1356
00:54:01,479 --> 00:53:59,269
insane if you guys are ever in Roswell

1357
00:54:03,789 --> 00:54:01,489
go that was the best diner best coffee

1358
00:54:05,949 --> 00:54:03,799
it the best service I loved it it was

1359
00:54:08,049 --> 00:54:05,959
amazing the cowboy cafe I think it was

1360
00:54:10,269 --> 00:54:08,059
yes yes yeah I just I just did like a

1361
00:54:12,459 --> 00:54:10,279
mini you know for free I just gave them

1362
00:54:14,349 --> 00:54:12,469
a mini advertisement cowboy cafe Roswell

1363
00:54:15,939 --> 00:54:14,359
happen Roswell New Mexico come on in

1364
00:54:18,189 --> 00:54:15,949
great burritos great coffee great

1365
00:54:27,819 --> 00:54:18,199
service yep they make their own uh I

1366
00:54:30,459 --> 00:54:27,829
think Tabasco sauce sewers they've been

1367
00:54:33,189 --> 00:54:30,469
seen all over our planet somewhere in

1368
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1390
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1391
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:47,200
Jen you have a very close connection to

1392
00:55:54,090 --> 00:55:51,010
this the Montauk experience in a the

1393
00:55:56,940 --> 00:55:54,100
other world that you live in so um let's

1394
00:55:58,680 --> 00:55:56,950
cover this one the Montauk Project tell

1395
00:56:00,630 --> 00:55:58,690
us a little about your connection to

1396
00:56:01,560 --> 00:56:00,640
Montauk before you even went there to

1397
00:56:04,410 --> 00:56:01,570
investigate

1398
00:56:07,740 --> 00:56:04,420
you know stranger things was supposedly

1399
00:56:10,350 --> 00:56:07,750
inspired by what happened at Montauk so

1400
00:56:12,900 --> 00:56:10,360
when I went to Montauk to investigate

1401
00:56:15,510 --> 00:56:12,910
this it was like my two lives one on TV

1402
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:15,520
and one an investigation they were

1403
00:56:21,090 --> 00:56:19,090
colliding it was the most surreal thing

1404
00:56:23,250 --> 00:56:21,100
ever but it was so intriguing to

1405
00:56:24,780 --> 00:56:23,260
actually be on the ground where all of

1406
00:56:26,490 --> 00:56:24,790
these horrible things supposedly took

1407
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:26,500
place and we'll get to some of those

1408
00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:28,930
horrible things because I I heard things

1409
00:56:31,980 --> 00:56:30,250
in the episode that I hadn't known

1410
00:56:34,530 --> 00:56:31,990
previously about Montauk and I've been

1411
00:56:36,870 --> 00:56:34,540
looking at that case for a while but

1412
00:56:39,210 --> 00:56:36,880
what stuck out to me first and foremost

1413
00:56:44,180 --> 00:56:39,220
with this episode Jen was your co-host

1414
00:56:48,600 --> 00:56:44,190
oh my god I I felt like I was watching

1415
00:56:51,030 --> 00:56:48,610
like if if the people that made Parks

1416
00:56:53,490 --> 00:56:51,040
and Rec are the office right for the

1417
00:57:00,990 --> 00:56:53,500
x-files they could not have killed your

1418
00:57:05,730 --> 00:57:01,000
co-host any better the wall oh my gosh

1419
00:57:07,740 --> 00:57:05,740
he he's off the wall but um that's just

1420
00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:07,750
his default I remember I remember waking

1421
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:09,610
up one day and they're doing a coffee

1422
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:11,410
run and I'm coming out of hair and

1423
00:57:14,970 --> 00:57:12,880
makeup and he's already bouncing off the

1424
00:57:16,500 --> 00:57:14,980
wall and he said yeah I really need some

1425
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:16,510
coffee and I'm like ooh this is you

1426
00:57:22,020 --> 00:57:19,930
uncaf innate it holy cow that's just his

1427
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:22,030
default and there were so many times I

1428
00:57:25,950 --> 00:57:23,650
literally grabbed his knee because he's

1429
00:57:27,630 --> 00:57:25,960
you know his default is kind of a yell

1430
00:57:28,830 --> 00:57:27,640
and I was like saying we can't yell

1431
00:57:30,870 --> 00:57:28,840
we're in the middle of the restaurant or

1432
00:57:34,110 --> 00:57:30,880
in the middle of whatever but with that

1433
00:57:35,670 --> 00:57:34,120
being said it was so fun shooting with

1434
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:35,680
him just because you never know what's

1435
00:57:39,900 --> 00:57:37,330
gonna come out of his mouth and they

1436
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:39,910
have so many bloopers I mean some of the

1437
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:42,970
things that he says he is just he's he's

1438
00:57:50,220 --> 00:57:47,200
just Sam and he was beer see guy I mean

1439
00:57:53,040 --> 00:57:50,230
that's what they use yeah yeah and and

1440
00:57:53,609 --> 00:57:53,050
with Sam I will say this that is not an

1441
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:53,619
act

1442
00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,410
that is his default that is who he is I

1443
00:58:01,589 --> 00:57:58,720
shot with him you know from 7:00 a.m. to

1444
00:58:03,299 --> 00:58:01,599
10 p.m. some nights and did he get a

1445
00:58:05,489 --> 00:58:03,309
little quiet like at you know after

1446
00:58:08,910 --> 00:58:05,499
lunch carb coma sure but for the most

1447
00:58:11,519 --> 00:58:08,920
part that is Sam just wired all the time

1448
00:58:14,759 --> 00:58:11,529
I I think what would really stuck out to

1449
00:58:17,880 --> 00:58:14,769
me with this episode is the passion that

1450
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:17,890
you saw in what he was looking for

1451
00:58:23,789 --> 00:58:21,249
within the Montauk Project and and you

1452
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:23,799
too because you had a very interesting

1453
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:26,410
story to tell in the episode which you

1454
00:58:31,769 --> 00:58:29,470
mentioned earlier of kind of kind of we

1455
00:58:34,230 --> 00:58:31,779
we think of the military as like this

1456
00:58:35,999 --> 00:58:34,240
sort of very structured thing where

1457
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:36,009
things go point by point

1458
00:58:40,529 --> 00:58:38,170
no mistakes are ever made it's very

1459
00:58:43,109 --> 00:58:40,539
rigid but then you come to things like

1460
00:58:46,710 --> 00:58:43,119
the Montauk Project or MKULTRA or

1461
00:58:49,920 --> 00:58:46,720
Project Orange all these things where

1462
00:58:52,950 --> 00:58:49,930
the the military has been has used

1463
00:58:55,049 --> 00:58:52,960
people for things to in their personal

1464
00:58:57,630 --> 00:58:55,059
opinions and fishel them to get

1465
00:58:59,640 --> 00:58:57,640
something and right we don't know what

1466
00:59:03,539 --> 00:58:59,650
the hell they were trying to get out of

1467
00:59:05,430 --> 00:59:03,549
the Montauk Project but what what do you

1468
00:59:07,410 --> 00:59:05,440
make of all the claims of the stuff that

1469
00:59:09,779 --> 00:59:07,420
actually went on there you know it's

1470
00:59:12,749 --> 00:59:09,789
interesting because the Montauk Project

1471
00:59:16,620 --> 00:59:12,759
is this huge umbrella that has a lot of

1472
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:16,630
crazy claims so you know child abduction

1473
00:59:22,109 --> 00:59:19,930
time travel you know experimenting on

1474
00:59:24,269 --> 00:59:22,119
children there's there's a lot that kind

1475
00:59:26,339 --> 00:59:24,279
of goes into it so when people say oh I

1476
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:26,349
believe in the Montauk Project I always

1477
00:59:30,900 --> 00:59:28,690
say well what do you believe because

1478
00:59:32,609 --> 00:59:30,910
there's so many individual claims you

1479
00:59:36,150 --> 00:59:32,619
have to judge each claim on its own

1480
00:59:38,400 --> 00:59:36,160
merit so for me I'm not naive enough to

1481
00:59:41,009 --> 00:59:38,410
think oh the government never does a B

1482
00:59:43,049 --> 00:59:41,019
and C because from my own experience

1483
00:59:46,130 --> 00:59:43,059
clearly I know that's not true time

1484
00:59:49,259 --> 00:59:46,140
travel I think is pretty much you know

1485
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:49,269
unproven I think if time travel did

1486
00:59:52,890 --> 00:59:50,650
exist there would be time travelers

1487
00:59:55,259 --> 00:59:52,900
among us now and I would hope that we

1488
00:59:58,559 --> 00:59:55,269
would be doing better than we are now as

1489
01:00:00,390 --> 00:59:58,569
a society if if you have time travelers

1490
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:00,400
and you have a hindsight you could kind

1491
01:00:04,489 --> 01:00:02,650
of you know try to clean up all the

1492
01:00:07,470 --> 01:00:04,499
things that are going on right now so

1493
01:00:10,100 --> 01:00:07,480
that's my main beef with the times

1494
01:00:12,630 --> 01:00:10,110
aspect also is the Philadelphia

1495
01:00:15,780 --> 01:00:12,640
experiment with the USS eldridge is is

1496
01:00:18,270 --> 01:00:15,790
looped into into Montauk and we didn't

1497
01:00:19,860 --> 01:00:18,280
talk about that a lot in the episode but

1498
01:00:21,150 --> 01:00:19,870
the one thing that strikes to me about

1499
01:00:24,390 --> 01:00:21,160
the Philadelphia Experiment is

1500
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:24,400
supposedly the USS eldridge went through

1501
01:00:29,490 --> 01:00:27,570
a space warp and it ended up it ended up

1502
01:00:32,100 --> 01:00:29,500
this is so crazy

1503
01:00:33,690 --> 01:00:32,110
in a nutshell these guys knew that the

1504
01:00:35,490 --> 01:00:33,700
ship was going through a space warp so

1505
01:00:38,400 --> 01:00:35,500
they jumped off the side these two guys

1506
01:00:41,910 --> 01:00:38,410
and supposedly they landed up they

1507
01:00:44,310 --> 01:00:41,920
landed on the cliffs of Montauk in 1983

1508
01:00:46,530 --> 01:00:44,320
and this isn't this was in the 40s and

1509
01:00:48,180 --> 01:00:46,540
so I'm trying you know I'm talking to

1510
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:48,190
people and I said well how could this be

1511
01:00:52,410 --> 01:00:50,230
and then supposedly the ship as it was

1512
01:00:55,260 --> 01:00:52,420
going through this space warp there were

1513
01:00:57,720 --> 01:00:55,270
sailors who got stuck like pimento

1514
01:01:00,720 --> 01:00:57,730
cheese style in the walls and then I

1515
01:01:03,000 --> 01:01:00,730
said okay well if this is true who were

1516
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:03,010
the sailors that died the ship was later

1517
01:01:07,770 --> 01:01:04,690
sent to Greece so wouldn't have Greece

1518
01:01:09,570 --> 01:01:07,780
said hey first was sent to Greece and it

1519
01:01:12,060 --> 01:01:09,580
became the Leone and Greece and then it

1520
01:01:13,980 --> 01:01:12,070
was scrapped for metal so wouldn't they

1521
01:01:17,670 --> 01:01:13,990
have said why are their body parts and

1522
01:01:20,040 --> 01:01:17,680
in in the walls of this ship so it was a

1523
01:01:23,310 --> 01:01:20,050
lot of unfounded just kind of crazy

1524
01:01:25,410 --> 01:01:23,320
claims but I do think that personally

1525
01:01:27,030 --> 01:01:25,420
what I believe happened was there were

1526
01:01:28,380 --> 01:01:27,040
people who were working under the guise

1527
01:01:30,270 --> 01:01:28,390
of the government and whether or not

1528
01:01:32,190 --> 01:01:30,280
they were ordered by the government or

1529
01:01:34,530 --> 01:01:32,200
they were just bad people they were

1530
01:01:37,290 --> 01:01:34,540
doing things to children there were

1531
01:01:39,720 --> 01:01:37,300
things that that were brought up as far

1532
01:01:42,060 --> 01:01:39,730
as pedophilia and you have to stay away

1533
01:01:44,010 --> 01:01:42,070
from that because it gets into lawsuits

1534
01:01:46,890 --> 01:01:44,020
and that's why I say allegedly allegedly

1535
01:01:49,350 --> 01:01:46,900
allegedly but I think what we know about

1536
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:49,360
the Catholic Church and you know things

1537
01:01:52,770 --> 01:01:50,650
have happened in the Boy Scouts and

1538
01:01:54,330 --> 01:01:52,780
things have happened with pedophilia

1539
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:54,340
throughout society that people said no

1540
01:01:57,720 --> 01:01:56,170
that's not a thing that never happened

1541
01:01:59,250 --> 01:01:57,730
and then it ended up happening so I

1542
01:02:01,920 --> 01:01:59,260
don't think that that's something that

1543
01:02:03,630 --> 01:02:01,930
we can say was definitely not something

1544
01:02:04,470 --> 01:02:03,640
that happened when Joe went under

1545
01:02:07,410 --> 01:02:04,480
hypnosis

1546
01:02:08,940 --> 01:02:07,420
the hypnotist said she said no this

1547
01:02:11,160 --> 01:02:08,950
doesn't seem like it's sexual abuse

1548
01:02:13,620 --> 01:02:11,170
related and joe says that he does not

1549
01:02:16,470 --> 01:02:13,630
recall any of that happening but clearly

1550
01:02:19,080 --> 01:02:16,480
something happened to Joe that was not

1551
01:02:20,910 --> 01:02:19,090
him faking that was not know do I know

1552
01:02:23,910 --> 01:02:20,920
that that was the case no

1553
01:02:26,730 --> 01:02:23,920
but I know that something happened so

1554
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:26,740
there's a lot going on there that comes

1555
01:02:32,310 --> 01:02:29,080
down to bad men in positions of

1556
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:32,320
authority or power and children and and

1557
01:02:38,520 --> 01:02:35,650
vulnerable people being being lured in

1558
01:02:41,700 --> 01:02:38,530
I'm glad you said that I mean I deal

1559
01:02:44,340 --> 01:02:41,710
with so many unsubstantiated claims in

1560
01:02:44,940 --> 01:02:44,350
the alien abduction realm of things as

1561
01:02:47,310 --> 01:02:44,950
well

1562
01:02:49,980 --> 01:02:47,320
and when a lot of these people go under

1563
01:02:51,870 --> 01:02:49,990
hypnotic regression it's the same thing

1564
01:02:54,300 --> 01:02:51,880
the first question everyone asks me is

1565
01:02:56,820 --> 01:02:54,310
oh well or not even questioned claim

1566
01:02:59,220 --> 01:02:56,830
they say preconceived notion is oh they

1567
01:03:00,690 --> 01:02:59,230
were sexually abused as a child you know

1568
01:03:02,580 --> 01:03:00,700
this is a way to deal with it and I

1569
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:02,590
can't argue that and say some of them

1570
01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:05,440
are or aren't but at the end of the day

1571
01:03:10,910 --> 01:03:08,710
something happened to these play you

1572
01:03:14,190 --> 01:03:10,920
know it's not a complete fantasy

1573
01:03:16,530 --> 01:03:14,200
something clearly traumatic happened to

1574
01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:16,540
them in their lives whether or not it

1575
01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:19,990
was the evil black government doing

1576
01:03:25,710 --> 01:03:23,170
experiments or aliens conducting

1577
01:03:27,870 --> 01:03:25,720
abduction experiences and people I can't

1578
01:03:30,930 --> 01:03:27,880
tell you but something happened to these

1579
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:30,940
people right and I think people who say

1580
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:33,250
you know III don't believe that

1581
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:34,930
somebody's faking I would say well

1582
01:03:41,250 --> 01:03:38,770
listen that's fine too maybe doubt the

1583
01:03:42,930 --> 01:03:41,260
veracity of their claim but to say that

1584
01:03:44,910 --> 01:03:42,940
somebody is going to bring all this

1585
01:03:47,100 --> 01:03:44,920
unwanted attention and critique to

1586
01:03:49,740 --> 01:03:47,110
themselves by saying something that

1587
01:03:52,230 --> 01:03:49,750
happened that didn't I I don't believe

1588
01:03:54,210 --> 01:03:52,240
that I believe that people are

1589
01:03:56,490 --> 01:03:54,220
influenced by trauma something happened

1590
01:03:58,410 --> 01:03:56,500
maybe they don't necessarily know but I

1591
01:04:00,480 --> 01:03:58,420
never doubt the pain someone's going

1592
01:04:02,760 --> 01:04:00,490
through I definitely look at the claim

1593
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:02,770
and say okay just because you're saying

1594
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:03,850
that this happened that doesn't

1595
01:04:08,580 --> 01:04:05,770
necessarily mean that I believe but that

1596
01:04:10,290 --> 01:04:08,590
it costs me nothing to extend compassion

1597
01:04:12,540 --> 01:04:10,300
to you when you're hurting

1598
01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:12,550
that cost me nothing and I think with

1599
01:04:17,990 --> 01:04:15,340
Joe do I know that he was a Montauk boy

1600
01:04:20,880 --> 01:04:18,000
I I don't I don't know that but I know

1601
01:04:22,530 --> 01:04:20,890
that the session on TV was three minutes

1602
01:04:25,140 --> 01:04:22,540
the session in real life was over an

1603
01:04:27,060 --> 01:04:25,150
hour and I saw him crying and shaking

1604
01:04:30,950 --> 01:04:27,070
and it was hard for her to pull him out

1605
01:04:34,160 --> 01:04:30,960
I I don't know what happened to him but

1606
01:04:36,500 --> 01:04:34,170
something happened and he deserves

1607
01:04:38,930 --> 01:04:36,510
respect and compassion for whatever he

1608
01:04:41,090 --> 01:04:38,940
may be dealing with yeah that was that

1609
01:04:43,310 --> 01:04:41,100
was hard to watch it really was and I

1610
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:43,320
can't imagine like having to endure that

1611
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:46,980
entire regression both for you guys

1612
01:04:52,700 --> 01:04:49,770
watching and for him to you know

1613
01:04:55,850 --> 01:04:52,710
reliving whatever this fractured memory

1614
01:04:58,340 --> 01:04:55,860
is of his or you know struggle with if

1615
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:58,350
it was a dream or not we we may never

1616
01:05:02,210 --> 01:05:00,480
know when Joe might not ever know and

1617
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:02,220
that's kind of probably what the Montauk

1618
01:05:07,220 --> 01:05:03,930
Project wanted all along

1619
01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:07,230
and I think a lot of this comes back to

1620
01:05:12,800 --> 01:05:09,410
Preston Nichols and Preston Nichols

1621
01:05:16,730 --> 01:05:12,810
supposedly at hypnotized Joe you know 20

1622
01:05:19,730 --> 01:05:16,740
30 years earlier and he had relived some

1623
01:05:22,310 --> 01:05:19,740
traumatic experiences then I don't like

1624
01:05:23,870 --> 01:05:22,320
anything about Preston Nichols I've

1625
01:05:25,550 --> 01:05:23,880
watched your videos I wish he was still

1626
01:05:27,110 --> 01:05:25,560
alive so I could interview him in person

1627
01:05:29,660 --> 01:05:27,120
but I've watched videos with him I've

1628
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:29,670
read things that he's written and there

1629
01:05:37,100 --> 01:05:32,760
is something about him I don't like him

1630
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:37,110
and that's as far as I'll go but it's

1631
01:05:42,800 --> 01:05:39,210
kind of all roads lead back to this

1632
01:05:45,140 --> 01:05:42,810
Preston Nichols character and I try not

1633
01:05:47,120 --> 01:05:45,150
to speak ill of the dead he's not here

1634
01:05:48,650 --> 01:05:47,130
to defend himself but if you look into

1635
01:05:51,020 --> 01:05:48,660
Preston Nichols and you look into the

1636
01:05:54,080 --> 01:05:51,030
Montauk Project there's a lot of things

1637
01:05:57,320 --> 01:05:54,090
that are very shady they don't make

1638
01:05:59,360 --> 01:05:57,330
sense and I'm not okay with a lot of the

1639
01:06:01,070 --> 01:05:59,370
things that he said and dead and what's

1640
01:06:03,020 --> 01:06:01,080
even more terrifying is to think that

1641
01:06:06,250 --> 01:06:03,030
this may have actually had nothing to do

1642
01:06:08,780 --> 01:06:06,260
with the government right was just rogue

1643
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:08,790
scientists or people claiming to be

1644
01:06:12,680 --> 01:06:10,770
doing projects for the government right

1645
01:06:15,290 --> 01:06:12,690
doing these horrible things to kids I

1646
01:06:17,930 --> 01:06:15,300
don't even want to go there it is it's

1647
01:06:20,150 --> 01:06:17,940
almost unfathomable to think that people

1648
01:06:22,630 --> 01:06:20,160
were doing these things but you know all

1649
01:06:25,730 --> 01:06:22,640
we sort of have left is this dilapidated

1650
01:06:28,820 --> 01:06:25,740
radar tower and all these dark

1651
01:06:31,130 --> 01:06:28,830
disturbing stories you know there was

1652
01:06:34,040 --> 01:06:31,140
one thing that was cut out there was

1653
01:06:38,270 --> 01:06:34,050
supposedly an LSD house at camp here oh

1654
01:06:42,260 --> 01:06:38,280
right and it was marked officer housing

1655
01:06:45,050 --> 01:06:42,270
so as not as in single officers where

1656
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:45,060
they would go to stay but as in a house

1657
01:06:51,010 --> 01:06:47,780
for an O five or an O six

1658
01:06:57,609 --> 01:06:51,020
like a lieutenant-colonel or a colonel

1659
01:06:59,560 --> 01:06:57,619
and his family so this house when when I

1660
01:07:05,830 --> 01:06:59,570
have seen photos of it Brian Minich

1661
01:07:10,210 --> 01:07:05,840
showed photos there was a open Bay for

1662
01:07:11,980 --> 01:07:10,220
showers and there was open toilets now

1663
01:07:14,380 --> 01:07:11,990
if it really is a base commander's

1664
01:07:16,750 --> 01:07:14,390
housing your it's set up as an actual

1665
01:07:20,200 --> 01:07:16,760
house because a family lives there yeah

1666
01:07:24,160 --> 01:07:20,210
so what I believe is they marked it as

1667
01:07:27,790 --> 01:07:24,170
being a house for the colonel on the

1668
01:07:30,430 --> 01:07:27,800
base or a general on the base because

1669
01:07:32,290 --> 01:07:30,440
that keeps 99 percent of base personnel

1670
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:32,300
out of there they don't they're not

1671
01:07:37,240 --> 01:07:33,920
authorized to go there they don't want

1672
01:07:39,250 --> 01:07:37,250
to go there so they stay away so when we

1673
01:07:40,300 --> 01:07:39,260
were looking through this you know

1674
01:07:42,460 --> 01:07:40,310
that's something that has not been

1675
01:07:44,109 --> 01:07:42,470
brought up it's like how do you hide an

1676
01:07:47,260 --> 01:07:44,119
LSD house well you hide it in plain

1677
01:07:49,390 --> 01:07:47,270
sight and you label it to where most

1678
01:07:52,630 --> 01:07:49,400
soldiers or Airmen are not gonna be

1679
01:07:54,339 --> 01:07:52,640
poking around good point yeah I'm so

1680
01:07:56,770 --> 01:07:54,349
happy you guys got ahold the prime

1681
01:07:59,410 --> 01:07:56,780
minute because his videos have been like

1682
01:08:01,359 --> 01:07:59,420
the biggest bombshell for to break this

1683
01:08:04,270 --> 01:08:01,369
thing open to at least know that there's

1684
01:08:05,650 --> 01:08:04,280
stuff going on oh that's had gone on

1685
01:08:08,050 --> 01:08:05,660
there and the fact that there's

1686
01:08:09,790 --> 01:08:08,060
underground tunnels like that thing you

1687
01:08:12,700 --> 01:08:09,800
guys found in the episode in terms of a

1688
01:08:14,589 --> 01:08:12,710
quote-unquote access point like whoa

1689
01:08:17,260 --> 01:08:14,599
that kind of blew my mind

1690
01:08:18,760 --> 01:08:17,270
well what's interesting to me is a lot

1691
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:18,770
of those areas have either been filled

1692
01:08:24,490 --> 01:08:22,400
in with rocks or with seawater so you

1693
01:08:28,349 --> 01:08:24,500
know they could say it's for safety

1694
01:08:30,789 --> 01:08:28,359
purposes but I do have to wonder why

1695
01:08:32,349 --> 01:08:30,799
right why because there's plenty of

1696
01:08:34,229 --> 01:08:32,359
buildings there's plenty of underground

1697
01:08:37,059 --> 01:08:34,239
bunkers there's plenty of things that

1698
01:08:39,550 --> 01:08:37,069
you know they simply demolish they build

1699
01:08:40,570 --> 01:08:39,560
over they but with this they filled it

1700
01:08:42,670 --> 01:08:40,580
up with rocks they filled it up with

1701
01:08:44,170 --> 01:08:42,680
seawater and some people have even said

1702
01:08:47,200 --> 01:08:44,180
that they torched the inside of it prior

1703
01:08:51,459 --> 01:08:47,210
to doing that and the conspiracies

1704
01:08:54,970 --> 01:08:51,469
continue as they often do all right Jen

1705
01:08:59,860 --> 01:08:54,980
the mother lode of conspiracies hashtag

1706
01:09:00,880 --> 01:08:59,870
storm area 51 this came out of nowhere

1707
01:09:04,420 --> 01:09:00,890
just in

1708
01:09:06,520 --> 01:09:04,430
time for you and I to cover this we had

1709
01:09:09,130 --> 01:09:06,530
no idea this is gonna happen when we

1710
01:09:12,280 --> 01:09:09,140
actually did our investigation so talk

1711
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:12,290
about like all in the timing well we had

1712
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:15,410
absolutely no idea that the movement was

1713
01:09:19,450 --> 01:09:17,810
going to take place we didn't know any

1714
01:09:21,940 --> 01:09:19,460
of this so we were just interested at

1715
01:09:24,580 --> 01:09:21,950
what was going on at area 51 clearly

1716
01:09:27,250 --> 01:09:24,590
there's been a lot of conjecture this

1717
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:27,260
Bob Lazar character you know people are

1718
01:09:30,790 --> 01:09:28,970
split on him they either absolutely

1719
01:09:33,760 --> 01:09:30,800
believe him or they think he's a

1720
01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:33,770
charlatan and a liar so Bob Lazar was

1721
01:09:38,650 --> 01:09:35,480
somebody that I absolutely wanted to

1722
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,660
discount when I had first heard about

1723
01:09:43,840 --> 01:09:41,120
him but there are several things that

1724
01:09:46,000 --> 01:09:43,850
there's no explanation there's no

1725
01:09:47,740 --> 01:09:46,010
explanation for with regards to Bob and

1726
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:47,750
some of the things that he's claiming so

1727
01:09:53,650 --> 01:09:50,570
it's a really interesting episode and

1728
01:09:57,190 --> 01:09:53,660
I'm really excited for it to air me too

1729
01:09:59,800 --> 01:09:57,200
and by the time this episode is released

1730
01:10:02,230 --> 01:09:59,810
it'll be within days of that so I'm

1731
01:10:04,780 --> 01:10:02,240
super excited for people to see what we

1732
01:10:07,060 --> 01:10:04,790
uncovered but what I think is even more

1733
01:10:10,450 --> 01:10:07,070
interesting than just area 51 because

1734
01:10:13,050 --> 01:10:10,460
yes we did go to area 51 I won't say

1735
01:10:16,600 --> 01:10:13,060
anything more than that right our

1736
01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:16,610
investigation was kind of sparked by by

1737
01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:18,440
something else and that was these recent

1738
01:10:23,650 --> 01:10:20,660
videos that released through the the

1739
01:10:26,320 --> 01:10:23,660
secret Pentagon UFO program a tip so

1740
01:10:28,150 --> 01:10:26,330
what did you think of these videos when

1741
01:10:30,340 --> 01:10:28,160
your first song I know you talked about

1742
01:10:35,470 --> 01:10:30,350
it in the episode quite a bit as well

1743
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:35,480
but yeah as a former military veteran

1744
01:10:40,780 --> 01:10:37,850
these videos coming forward from the

1745
01:10:45,070 --> 01:10:40,790
Navy nonetheless your people are the

1746
01:10:47,770 --> 01:10:45,080
ones that have like broken the whole new

1747
01:10:51,660 --> 01:10:47,780
UFO conversation going on in today's

1748
01:10:54,460 --> 01:10:51,670
world you know when I saw the videos I I

1749
01:10:57,100 --> 01:10:54,470
don't know I really didn't know what to

1750
01:10:58,780 --> 01:10:57,110
think I saw them I thought it was a

1751
01:11:01,660 --> 01:10:58,790
little funny I thought you know maybe

1752
01:11:03,070 --> 01:11:01,670
this is who knows what it is because the

1753
01:11:05,200 --> 01:11:03,080
first time that I ever seen anything I

1754
01:11:07,660 --> 01:11:05,210
just assume it's a fake just because

1755
01:11:10,120 --> 01:11:07,670
most of the things I deal with you know

1756
01:11:11,860 --> 01:11:10,130
are frauds or fakes and then I really

1757
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:11,870
look into ok where did this come from

1758
01:11:14,500 --> 01:11:13,640
alright that's not a fake that's not

1759
01:11:18,090 --> 01:11:14,510
something somebody

1760
01:11:21,010 --> 01:11:18,100
on a computer they're really

1761
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:21,020
inexplicable and I wish I could say oh

1762
01:11:28,120 --> 01:11:24,410
you know this is absolutely possible the

1763
01:11:30,780 --> 01:11:28,130
way this is flying it's not and honestly

1764
01:11:34,030 --> 01:11:30,790
I'm surprised that it hasn't gotten more

1765
01:11:35,500 --> 01:11:34,040
mainstream I'm surprised more people

1766
01:11:36,970 --> 01:11:35,510
don't know about it I talked to people

1767
01:11:38,860 --> 01:11:36,980
about it and they said no no I've never

1768
01:11:40,600 --> 01:11:38,870
heard of that yeah I've never heard of

1769
01:11:42,790 --> 01:11:40,610
the videos I've never heard of the you

1770
01:11:45,580 --> 01:11:42,800
know I don't know we're in a society

1771
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,590
where people care about the Kardashians

1772
01:11:49,450 --> 01:11:47,840
and and they're not really aware of

1773
01:11:51,160 --> 01:11:49,460
things that are going on and and I'm not

1774
01:11:52,090 --> 01:11:51,170
saying you know you can't have a little

1775
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:52,100
bit of fun and care about the

1776
01:11:56,560 --> 01:11:54,410
Kardashians once in a while but if this

1777
01:11:58,540 --> 01:11:56,570
is extraterrestrial in nature that has

1778
01:12:00,910 --> 01:11:58,550
some serious potential consequences for

1779
01:12:02,229 --> 01:12:00,920
Humanity as a whole right and some of

1780
01:12:05,140 --> 01:12:02,239
the people we talk to in the episode

1781
01:12:06,580 --> 01:12:05,150
again not giving away too much but we're

1782
01:12:09,010 --> 01:12:06,590
talking about people who had first-hand

1783
01:12:12,130 --> 01:12:09,020
experience with what these videos might

1784
01:12:14,890 --> 01:12:12,140
or might not be intelligence people we

1785
01:12:17,290 --> 01:12:14,900
spoke to and they all sort of agree that

1786
01:12:19,330 --> 01:12:17,300
yeah something's going on and we got to

1787
01:12:21,970 --> 01:12:19,340
be careful because whatever these things

1788
01:12:24,490 --> 01:12:21,980
are whatever technology they represent

1789
01:12:27,790 --> 01:12:24,500
it's far beyond what our own military is

1790
01:12:30,460 --> 01:12:27,800
capable of or or even knows of vs. privy

1791
01:12:31,720 --> 01:12:30,470
capsule absolutely and I know that

1792
01:12:34,180 --> 01:12:31,730
there's gonna be people who watch the

1793
01:12:35,950 --> 01:12:34,190
episode and say oh those people are just

1794
01:12:38,229 --> 01:12:35,960
fame and fortune seeking what a bunch of

1795
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:38,239
garbage I'll tell you this there were

1796
01:12:43,870 --> 01:12:41,450
two people involved with the 2004

1797
01:12:46,000 --> 01:12:43,880
incident off the USS Nimitz battle group

1798
01:12:49,060 --> 01:12:46,010
who have talked to me confident she

1799
01:12:50,650 --> 01:12:49,070
confidently off the record I cannot and

1800
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:50,660
will not use their names they were not

1801
01:12:55,990 --> 01:12:53,810
included in the show these people backed

1802
01:12:59,950 --> 01:12:56,000
up and gave me additional information as

1803
01:13:01,810 --> 01:12:59,960
to what we show in the program so if the

1804
01:13:03,370 --> 01:13:01,820
people on the program are doing it for

1805
01:13:05,020 --> 01:13:03,380
fame and fortune what are these other

1806
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:05,030
two people doing it for they have

1807
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:06,560
nothing to gain they have everything to

1808
01:13:11,470 --> 01:13:08,810
lose they came to me as a fellow Navy

1809
01:13:13,810 --> 01:13:11,480
veteran in confidence and said yes this

1810
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:13,820
is what happened and explained to me

1811
01:13:17,950 --> 01:13:16,010
their experiences so I don't buy for one

1812
01:13:19,930 --> 01:13:17,960
minute when people say well all these

1813
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:19,940
former sailors are aviators they're just

1814
01:13:22,840 --> 01:13:21,290
looking for fame and fortune because

1815
01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:22,850
generally people who go into the

1816
01:13:27,610 --> 01:13:26,120
military that's we're not the military

1817
01:13:30,730 --> 01:13:27,620
does not pay a lot and it

1818
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:30,740
not a path to stardom so that's not you

1819
01:13:35,470 --> 01:13:31,970
know something that people generally

1820
01:13:38,890 --> 01:13:35,480
join for Wow dad I didn't even know that

1821
01:13:41,260 --> 01:13:38,900
that's crazy to me it only solidifies

1822
01:13:44,980 --> 01:13:41,270
for me that all these Navy people coming

1823
01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:44,990
forward this is going to change things

1824
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:46,820
we already know that the Navy has a new

1825
01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:49,730
reporting system for UFOs and that's

1826
01:13:57,190 --> 01:13:53,480
that's incredible to think that in 2019

1827
01:13:59,740 --> 01:13:57,200
the stigma of reporting UFOs is changing

1828
01:14:02,350 --> 01:13:59,750
we know in the military and even in just

1829
01:14:05,260 --> 01:14:02,360
commercial aviation that when you

1830
01:14:07,930 --> 01:14:05,270
reported these things boom career over

1831
01:14:09,640 --> 01:14:07,940
right I've put on desk duty instead of

1832
01:14:13,510 --> 01:14:09,650
flying the skies for the rest of your

1833
01:14:16,210 --> 01:14:13,520
career but now they can do it and now

1834
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:16,220
we're starting to see wow you know not

1835
01:14:21,220 --> 01:14:18,650
just two thousand four thousand whatever

1836
01:14:23,380 --> 01:14:21,230
16 these things have been going on for a

1837
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:23,390
while and now these people can talk

1838
01:14:29,410 --> 01:14:27,170
about it so I've always wondered why

1839
01:14:32,590 --> 01:14:29,420
that was something that was really

1840
01:14:35,260 --> 01:14:32,600
looked down upon because to me it's

1841
01:14:38,590 --> 01:14:35,270
narcissistic to believe we are the most

1842
01:14:40,480 --> 01:14:38,600
intelligent form of life out there first

1843
01:14:42,580 --> 01:14:40,490
of all there's a subtly in' planets

1844
01:14:44,650 --> 01:14:42,590
we're the only one with any form of life

1845
01:14:46,930 --> 01:14:44,660
and who are we to say oh we are

1846
01:14:49,210 --> 01:14:46,940
definitely the most advanced we could be

1847
01:14:51,550 --> 01:14:49,220
ants compared to another civilization we

1848
01:14:54,760 --> 01:14:51,560
could be nothing more than sloths so to

1849
01:14:56,740 --> 01:14:54,770
say you know somebody saw something that

1850
01:14:58,180 --> 01:14:56,750
they don't understand what it is maybe

1851
01:14:59,620 --> 01:14:58,190
it could be top-secret military but

1852
01:15:01,630 --> 01:14:59,630
maybe it could be extraterrestrial oh

1853
01:15:03,130 --> 01:15:01,640
that person needs to be mocked that

1854
01:15:05,440 --> 01:15:03,140
person should be grounded that person

1855
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:05,450
should lose their career it's all based

1856
01:15:09,850 --> 01:15:08,090
and narcissism absolutely I'm so glad

1857
01:15:13,180 --> 01:15:09,860
you said that because we've we've

1858
01:15:15,880 --> 01:15:13,190
struggled with that for so long of not

1859
01:15:19,540 --> 01:15:15,890
only saying look that the possibilities

1860
01:15:22,060 --> 01:15:19,550
of alien life is just like there has to

1861
01:15:24,340 --> 01:15:22,070
be there has to be I think almost every

1862
01:15:27,400 --> 01:15:24,350
mathematician astronomer out there

1863
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:27,410
agrees that there's some sort of alien

1864
01:15:32,680 --> 01:15:30,410
life-form out there whether it's visited

1865
01:15:34,170 --> 01:15:32,690
this planet or not or is intelligent or

1866
01:15:39,160 --> 01:15:34,180
sentient that's a whole different story

1867
01:15:39,899 --> 01:15:39,170
but it's fascinating that we now live in

1868
01:15:43,020 --> 01:15:39,909
an age

1869
01:15:45,090 --> 01:15:43,030
you can talk about UFOs without getting

1870
01:15:46,379 --> 01:15:45,100
laughed at you know it's it's still

1871
01:15:49,140 --> 01:15:46,389
barren it's probably always going to be

1872
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:49,150
there that small hint of ridicule but I

1873
01:15:54,810 --> 01:15:52,449
see the tides changing within the

1874
01:15:58,590 --> 01:15:54,820
overall UFO conversation and I think it

1875
01:16:01,379 --> 01:15:58,600
shows like yours and the this show that

1876
01:16:04,290 --> 01:16:01,389
Tom DeLonge did you know the blink-182

1877
01:16:06,120 --> 01:16:04,300
guy about UFOs that's really showing

1878
01:16:08,910 --> 01:16:06,130
people look we could talk about this

1879
01:16:11,870 --> 01:16:08,920
normally at the dinner table and you

1880
01:16:15,660 --> 01:16:11,880
don't have to like be afraid to do it so

1881
01:16:18,360 --> 01:16:15,670
kudos to any Navy pilot who's come out

1882
01:16:21,240 --> 01:16:18,370
with these nimitz encounters or these

1883
01:16:23,760 --> 01:16:21,250
the gimbal video the tic tac what have

1884
01:16:27,270 --> 01:16:23,770
it like we need more people like that to

1885
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:27,280
be willing to do that absolutely and I

1886
01:16:32,790 --> 01:16:30,730
think you know when I hear of sightings

1887
01:16:34,709 --> 01:16:32,800
or I hear of witness accounts regardless

1888
01:16:36,959 --> 01:16:34,719
of what it is I always ask myself what

1889
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:36,969
does this person have to gain these

1890
01:16:44,129 --> 01:16:40,210
naval aviators have nothing to gain and

1891
01:16:46,740 --> 01:16:44,139
a lot to lose absolutely so I think even

1892
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:46,750
the you know the height of the most

1893
01:16:52,410 --> 01:16:50,650
skeptic of all skeptics needs to look at

1894
01:16:54,209 --> 01:16:52,420
this and say all right let me just at

1895
01:16:57,419 --> 01:16:54,219
least hear these people out because

1896
01:16:59,459 --> 01:16:57,429
there's nothing driving this oh let me

1897
01:17:01,800 --> 01:16:59,469
come out possibly lose my career be

1898
01:17:03,450 --> 01:17:01,810
ridiculed know that this is they're

1899
01:17:05,790 --> 01:17:03,460
coming out because they saw something

1900
01:17:07,860 --> 01:17:05,800
and they feel like other people should

1901
01:17:10,560 --> 01:17:07,870
be aware of it and and for a few of the

1902
01:17:12,780 --> 01:17:10,570
people I talked to they said yes I am

1903
01:17:14,850 --> 01:17:12,790
I have fear as to what I saw because I

1904
01:17:17,520 --> 01:17:14,860
know that this is not within the

1905
01:17:19,830 --> 01:17:17,530
capability of the military and if this

1906
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:19,840
is extraterrestrial in nature how do we

1907
01:17:27,959 --> 01:17:25,330
know that these beings are that they're

1908
01:17:29,610 --> 01:17:27,969
you know safe that they that they don't

1909
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:29,620
want to do us harm I mean you don't know

1910
01:17:34,590 --> 01:17:31,449
their motivation if it is in fact

1911
01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:34,600
something extraterrestrial exactly you

1912
01:17:39,419 --> 01:17:36,520
know the question no longer is like if

1913
01:17:42,330 --> 01:17:39,429
your foes exist it's losing control of

1914
01:17:45,000 --> 01:17:42,340
them why are they here and like you said

1915
01:17:47,820 --> 01:17:45,010
everyone always says oh if aliens exist

1916
01:17:49,200 --> 01:17:47,830
they're so far advanced and enlightened

1917
01:17:52,620 --> 01:17:49,210
and intelligent that they would be

1918
01:17:54,870 --> 01:17:52,630
peaceful we don't know that we don't why

1919
01:17:58,350 --> 01:17:54,880
just because they're so vastly

1920
01:18:00,240 --> 01:17:58,360
intelligent does you know time and

1921
01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:00,250
evolution say that they're gonna be a

1922
01:18:05,430 --> 01:18:03,070
peaceful race I never understood that

1923
01:18:08,399 --> 01:18:05,440
when we are pretty technologically

1924
01:18:09,899 --> 01:18:08,409
advanced and we are war mongers exactly

1925
01:18:13,740 --> 01:18:09,909
to the point where we could destroy our

1926
01:18:16,439 --> 01:18:13,750
own planet who knows who knows who's in

1927
01:18:20,100 --> 01:18:16,449
control of these UFOs why they're doing

1928
01:18:22,830 --> 01:18:20,110
this and oh god it's so fascinating but

1929
01:18:24,930 --> 01:18:22,840
a lot of people Jen think that it's

1930
01:18:27,120 --> 01:18:24,940
aliens and they're gonna see them aliens

1931
01:18:29,669 --> 01:18:27,130
on September 20th when they storm the

1932
01:18:32,220 --> 01:18:29,679
gates of oh no if they storm the gates

1933
01:18:34,680 --> 01:18:32,230
they're gonna be seeing some tear gas

1934
01:18:36,870 --> 01:18:34,690
and fun stuff like that I mean I do

1935
01:18:38,459 --> 01:18:36,880
think that you know the guy that we

1936
01:18:39,780 --> 01:18:38,469
talked about who stormed the gates and

1937
01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:39,790
he had a cylindrical object in his hand

1938
01:18:45,149 --> 01:18:43,150
he was killed unfortunately um yeah you

1939
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:45,159
play stupid games you win stupid prizes

1940
01:18:50,040 --> 01:18:47,650
I feel bad for his family I don't know

1941
01:18:52,320 --> 01:18:50,050
what his motivation was but it's it's

1942
01:18:54,810 --> 01:18:52,330
tragic you cannot do that you cannot

1943
01:18:57,570 --> 01:18:54,820
storm a base I would hope and I would

1944
01:18:59,550 --> 01:18:57,580
think that the military is planning

1945
01:19:01,320 --> 01:18:59,560
appropriately for this and and I don't

1946
01:19:03,629 --> 01:19:01,330
think that they're gonna be there you

1947
01:19:05,580 --> 01:19:03,639
know and machine guns are gonna be there

1948
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:05,590
they're there first to go to I don't

1949
01:19:10,020 --> 01:19:08,050
think you know they're they're just

1950
01:19:12,209 --> 01:19:10,030
going to blow people away but but I do

1951
01:19:14,790 --> 01:19:12,219
think that they're going to be prepared

1952
01:19:15,990 --> 01:19:14,800
with tear gas rubber bullets things that

1953
01:19:19,800 --> 01:19:16,000
make crowds

1954
01:19:22,050 --> 01:19:19,810
very angry and very uncomfortable and of

1955
01:19:24,870 --> 01:19:22,060
course yes they'll have they'll have

1956
01:19:28,169 --> 01:19:24,880
leaflet less lethal methods but you also

1957
01:19:30,209 --> 01:19:28,179
have to have lethal methods so I would

1958
01:19:33,570 --> 01:19:30,219
encourage anyone who's saying let me

1959
01:19:36,540 --> 01:19:33,580
storm you do not storm a military base

1960
01:19:39,350 --> 01:19:36,550
even in large numbers you do not do that

1961
01:19:42,629 --> 01:19:39,360
you can't outrun bullets don't do that

1962
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:42,639
absolutely and again like I think you

1963
01:19:46,770 --> 01:19:44,620
and I can both agree no matter what we

1964
01:19:50,250 --> 01:19:46,780
personally think is going on at area 51

1965
01:19:53,340 --> 01:19:50,260
that that base exists for our security

1966
01:19:56,490 --> 01:19:53,350
whatever's being developed there is for

1967
01:19:59,280 --> 01:19:56,500
our safety when it comes down to it and

1968
01:20:04,510 --> 01:19:59,290
I've never been like a pro you know

1969
01:20:06,970 --> 01:20:04,520
military person but you can bet your ass

1970
01:20:10,180 --> 01:20:06,980
that we have those people doing that for

1971
01:20:12,130 --> 01:20:10,190
us so absolutely people please don't

1972
01:20:14,890 --> 01:20:12,140
storm the gates very 51 if you're going

1973
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:14,900
to go out there go to the alien Research

1974
01:20:20,170 --> 01:20:18,050
Center go to the little alien go have a

1975
01:20:22,630 --> 01:20:20,180
good time you know maybe have a couple

1976
01:20:24,640 --> 01:20:22,640
beers listen to some music I think that

1977
01:20:26,470 --> 01:20:24,650
should are planning to do but do not

1978
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:26,480
storm the gates cuz you and I both know

1979
01:20:31,960 --> 01:20:29,930
they knew you and I were coming God how

1980
01:20:34,360 --> 01:20:31,970
many miles before we even got to that

1981
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:34,370
gate I can't even imagine so I won't say

1982
01:20:39,160 --> 01:20:37,850
anymore and and I think it's important

1983
01:20:41,110 --> 01:20:39,170
if people want to go they have the

1984
01:20:44,230 --> 01:20:41,120
camaraderie of other believers they can

1985
01:20:48,250 --> 01:20:44,240
have a good time but keep it a good time

1986
01:20:51,250 --> 01:20:48,260
people keep it good keep it good yeah

1987
01:20:54,010 --> 01:20:51,260
great well in terms of what's to come on

1988
01:20:56,020 --> 01:20:54,020
mysteries decoded Jen can you give us a

1989
01:20:59,800 --> 01:20:56,030
little tease of what's gonna be

1990
01:21:01,900 --> 01:20:59,810
happening after area 51 yeah we have

1991
01:21:04,570 --> 01:21:01,910
some great episodes to wrap up the

1992
01:21:06,910 --> 01:21:04,580
season we actually look at Bigfoot which

1993
01:21:09,940 --> 01:21:06,920
I went into it thinking complete

1994
01:21:13,270 --> 01:21:09,950
nonsense but we've talked to a scientist

1995
01:21:15,490 --> 01:21:13,280
in the field who you know he brought up

1996
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:15,500
some really great points showed me some

1997
01:21:20,980 --> 01:21:18,290
really intriguing things we look at

1998
01:21:22,630 --> 01:21:20,990
vampires in New Orleans and whether the

1999
01:21:26,650 --> 01:21:22,640
consumption of blood can in fact

2000
01:21:29,590 --> 01:21:26,660
lengthen one's life and we look at the

2001
01:21:31,450 --> 01:21:29,600
Bermuda Triangle which was really really

2002
01:21:35,140 --> 01:21:31,460
interesting to me because of course

2003
01:21:37,720 --> 01:21:35,150
numerous planes and ships military

2004
01:21:40,300 --> 01:21:37,730
planes and ships have gone missing in

2005
01:21:42,580 --> 01:21:40,310
that area and so that's an episode where

2006
01:21:44,500 --> 01:21:42,590
we hit the science pretty hard I'm

2007
01:21:47,290 --> 01:21:44,510
really looking forward to that one I've

2008
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:47,300
done a little bit in the past on the

2009
01:21:51,490 --> 01:21:49,280
Bermuda Triangle so I can't wait to see

2010
01:21:52,140 --> 01:21:51,500
what you guys came up with that one but

2011
01:21:55,630 --> 01:21:52,150
um

2012
01:21:59,740 --> 01:21:55,640
which is two oh my gosh yeah Salem which

2013
01:22:02,230 --> 01:21:59,750
is second it's been so long I had forgot

2014
01:22:05,980 --> 01:22:02,240
about it yes we had Salem witches as

2015
01:22:08,290 --> 01:22:05,990
well which was really intriguing because

2016
01:22:10,450 --> 01:22:08,300
of course so many people were put to

2017
01:22:12,940 --> 01:22:10,460
death for supposedly practicing

2018
01:22:15,460 --> 01:22:12,950
witchcraft so we we delve into it and

2019
01:22:18,040 --> 01:22:15,470
you know look at were they witches were

2020
01:22:20,589 --> 01:22:18,050
they practicing witchcraft what made the

2021
01:22:22,629 --> 01:22:20,599
town put all these people to death what

2022
01:22:25,990 --> 01:22:22,639
happened what were the socio-economic

2023
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:26,000
variables included in that scenario it's

2024
01:22:29,950 --> 01:22:28,070
a very interesting episode oh and the

2025
01:22:32,169 --> 01:22:29,960
gender politics of the time that was

2026
01:22:33,850 --> 01:22:32,179
something that I really had not thought

2027
01:22:35,430 --> 01:22:33,860
of going into it but there was such a

2028
01:22:37,720 --> 01:22:35,440
difference between men and women

2029
01:22:40,870 --> 01:22:37,730
children were to be seen and not heard

2030
01:22:43,209 --> 01:22:40,880
so you know gender dynamics power there

2031
01:22:45,310 --> 01:22:43,219
were so many things that that went into

2032
01:22:48,399 --> 01:22:45,320
that episode it should be a good one

2033
01:22:50,319 --> 01:22:48,409
it's fascinating I gotta ask again with

2034
01:22:52,870 --> 01:22:50,329
mysteries Dakota it like this is a huge

2035
01:22:54,790 --> 01:22:52,880
departure from kind of what you're used

2036
01:22:57,479 --> 01:22:54,800
to or what I'm sure your family or

2037
01:23:00,399 --> 01:22:57,489
friends or colleagues know about you so

2038
01:23:02,260 --> 01:23:00,409
how have your your friends your

2039
01:23:03,370 --> 01:23:02,270
colleagues in the entertainment industry

2040
01:23:05,530 --> 01:23:03,380
and the military

2041
01:23:08,379 --> 01:23:05,540
how have they reacted to mysteries

2042
01:23:11,830 --> 01:23:08,389
decoded the veteran community has been

2043
01:23:13,750 --> 01:23:11,840
extremely extremely supportive we tend

2044
01:23:15,970 --> 01:23:13,760
to support our brothers and sisters when

2045
01:23:17,830 --> 01:23:15,980
you know they branch off into different

2046
01:23:19,450 --> 01:23:17,840
endeavors so I've been very indebted to

2047
01:23:22,299 --> 01:23:19,460
them I would say the private

2048
01:23:24,970 --> 01:23:22,309
investigation community at first when it

2049
01:23:26,709 --> 01:23:24,980
was first pitched to them you know their

2050
01:23:30,640 --> 01:23:26,719
concern was don't make us look like a

2051
01:23:32,140 --> 01:23:30,650
bunch of slaps which I get I I do not

2052
01:23:35,229 --> 01:23:32,150
think that I've done that but of course

2053
01:23:38,020 --> 01:23:35,239
anytime it's reality TV or docudrama

2054
01:23:40,180 --> 01:23:38,030
there's always the you know there's

2055
01:23:42,459 --> 01:23:40,190
always the fear that the profession is

2056
01:23:45,220 --> 01:23:42,469
going to be belittled so I think we've

2057
01:23:46,870 --> 01:23:45,230
avoided doing that many of my other

2058
01:23:48,580 --> 01:23:46,880
investigators said that they will never

2059
01:23:51,310 --> 01:23:48,590
work on anything paranormal which I

2060
01:23:52,240 --> 01:23:51,320
absolutely appreciate and understand

2061
01:23:55,510 --> 01:23:52,250
where they're coming from

2062
01:23:57,790 --> 01:23:55,520
the reception's been really good you

2063
01:24:01,899 --> 01:23:57,800
always have you know you're 1 to 5%

2064
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:01,909
trolls but for the most part just people

2065
01:24:06,819 --> 01:24:03,770
overall have been super supportive and

2066
01:24:08,530 --> 01:24:06,829
the way that I see trolls is you know if

2067
01:24:10,470 --> 01:24:08,540
you're that unhappy that you feel the

2068
01:24:13,930 --> 01:24:10,480
need to lash out at people online

2069
01:24:15,970 --> 01:24:13,940
anonymously it doesn't make me angry it

2070
01:24:19,390 --> 01:24:15,980
just makes me sad and it makes me sad

2071
01:24:20,799 --> 01:24:19,400
for that person so trolls don't get to

2072
01:24:23,109 --> 01:24:20,809
me maybe the same way that they would

2073
01:24:25,839 --> 01:24:23,119
get to somebody else I just take it with

2074
01:24:27,520 --> 01:24:25,849
a grain of salt and and move on and I

2075
01:24:30,549 --> 01:24:27,530
think that some people some of the

2076
01:24:31,419 --> 01:24:30,559
trolls I've experienced they they're so

2077
01:24:34,209 --> 01:24:31,429
quick to

2078
01:24:36,580 --> 01:24:34,219
anything and say no none of these things

2079
01:24:39,430 --> 01:24:36,590
exist and I don't feel like that's being

2080
01:24:41,860 --> 01:24:39,440
intellectually intellectually curious if

2081
01:24:45,360 --> 01:24:41,870
you automatically say none of these

2082
01:24:49,419 --> 01:24:45,370
things exist and this is all nonsense a

2083
01:24:51,729 --> 01:24:49,429
men to that there's far too much

2084
01:24:54,610 --> 01:24:51,739
important work to be done to even like

2085
01:24:59,290 --> 01:24:54,620
give these people the time of day so I

2086
01:25:00,610 --> 01:24:59,300
hear you say that well on the other side

2087
01:25:02,709 --> 01:25:00,620
not trolls

2088
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:02,719
I have listeners in my show who had a

2089
01:25:09,070 --> 01:25:04,130
couple of questions for you do you have

2090
01:25:11,740 --> 01:25:09,080
time I would love to awesome so Tim asks

2091
01:25:13,840 --> 01:25:11,750
what's the weirdest and/or scariest

2092
01:25:17,260 --> 01:25:13,850
thing you've seen or heard while

2093
01:25:20,610 --> 01:25:17,270
investigating a case there was a case I

2094
01:25:22,540 --> 01:25:20,620
I will I will dance around it because

2095
01:25:25,180 --> 01:25:22,550
confidentiality is very important to me

2096
01:25:28,919 --> 01:25:25,190
in my clients yeah there was a case of a

2097
01:25:33,899 --> 01:25:28,929
girl that I had helped with who had been

2098
01:25:36,370 --> 01:25:33,909
she had disappeared and we thought that

2099
01:25:37,870 --> 01:25:36,380
shame on me I thought that she was dead

2100
01:25:40,090 --> 01:25:37,880
I thought that her mother sold her off

2101
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:40,100
for a drug debt this girl was very

2102
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:43,610
active on social media after this it was

2103
01:25:50,669 --> 01:25:46,370
completely cut off she was hanging

2104
01:25:54,370 --> 01:25:50,679
around some gangbangers ms-13 members

2105
01:25:57,280 --> 01:25:54,380
all of it was very very bad she was 16

2106
01:25:57,880 --> 01:25:57,290
years old and I thought this girl has to

2107
01:25:59,620 --> 01:25:57,890
be dead

2108
01:26:02,050 --> 01:25:59,630
so we worked on it it was several

2109
01:26:04,360 --> 01:26:02,060
investigators working on it and she

2110
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:04,370
ended up popping up in another country

2111
01:26:09,399 --> 01:26:06,290
she had been sex trafficked

2112
01:26:11,410 --> 01:26:09,409
but reading the after-action reports of

2113
01:26:13,780 --> 01:26:11,420
some of the things she had experienced

2114
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:13,790
how they were able to move her out of

2115
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:16,400
the country and the type of people we

2116
01:26:22,810 --> 01:26:18,890
were dealing with really made my blood

2117
01:26:27,220 --> 01:26:22,820
run cold they're very dangerous ruthless

2118
01:26:30,070 --> 01:26:27,230
people who dehumanize anyone and

2119
01:26:32,680 --> 01:26:30,080
everyone you are simply a number to them

2120
01:26:34,330 --> 01:26:32,690
you are not a life and they will snuff

2121
01:26:37,899 --> 01:26:34,340
you out without a second thought wow

2122
01:26:40,270 --> 01:26:37,909
that's tough I mean again like we deal

2123
01:26:41,800 --> 01:26:40,280
with some weird and dark stuff and the

2124
01:26:43,550 --> 01:26:41,810
UFO field or the paranormal community

2125
01:26:45,980 --> 01:26:43,560
but and when it comes down to it I

2126
01:26:48,530 --> 01:26:45,990
the scariest thing is what humans can do

2127
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:48,540
to other humans oh absolutely

2128
01:26:57,320 --> 01:26:53,250
Wow yeah that that's fine I'm speechless

2129
01:26:59,240 --> 01:26:57,330
to be honest well and later she was I've

2130
01:27:01,580 --> 01:26:59,250
continued to follow her and later she

2131
01:27:04,430 --> 01:27:01,590
was posting some of the same things

2132
01:27:07,400 --> 01:27:04,440
online getting into old habits again and

2133
01:27:09,470 --> 01:27:07,410
it broke my heart because I thought you

2134
01:27:11,630 --> 01:27:09,480
know I'm not a victim blame her I don't

2135
01:27:14,270 --> 01:27:11,640
think it's right to blame people but I

2136
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:14,280
just had hoped that she would go in a

2137
01:27:19,790 --> 01:27:16,110
different direction after the trauma she

2138
01:27:21,830 --> 01:27:19,800
experienced and it just it it hurt me

2139
01:27:23,090 --> 01:27:21,840
and it scared me to see her going down

2140
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:23,100
that same path

2141
01:27:27,980 --> 01:27:25,380
being around unsavory people again

2142
01:27:30,470 --> 01:27:27,990
because there's no you know there's no

2143
01:27:32,180 --> 01:27:30,480
happy ending to that story yeah and

2144
01:27:33,980 --> 01:27:32,190
often times you think these things are

2145
01:27:36,740 --> 01:27:33,990
like vicious cycles you know when

2146
01:27:38,690 --> 01:27:36,750
absolutely when you've been surmised

2147
01:27:41,060 --> 01:27:38,700
it's just a number it's like how do you

2148
01:27:44,150 --> 01:27:41,070
find your self preservation again so

2149
01:27:46,880 --> 01:27:44,160
that's that's sad I hate hearing that we

2150
01:27:51,890 --> 01:27:46,890
can only hope that she finds some sort

2151
01:27:54,050 --> 01:27:51,900
of you know closure or or self-worth at

2152
01:27:57,170 --> 01:27:54,060
the end of the day absolutely absent and

2153
01:27:59,090 --> 01:27:57,180
I will put in a little PSA parents you

2154
01:28:01,820 --> 01:27:59,100
know definitely raise your girls to be

2155
01:28:04,280 --> 01:28:01,830
aware of what's going on and to to know

2156
01:28:06,710 --> 01:28:04,290
their own worth but raise your boy is to

2157
01:28:09,440 --> 01:28:06,720
treat women with respect and realize

2158
01:28:12,440 --> 01:28:09,450
that no means no and anything yes then

2159
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:12,450
an emphatic yes is absolutely no because

2160
01:28:17,660 --> 01:28:15,060
there was a lot of things playing into

2161
01:28:20,240 --> 01:28:17,670
that case where you know I just thought

2162
01:28:21,790 --> 01:28:20,250
as a mother I thought if these if all of

2163
01:28:24,650 --> 01:28:21,800
these people just would have been raised

2164
01:28:26,870 --> 01:28:24,660
better with more respect for other

2165
01:28:29,150 --> 01:28:26,880
humans we wouldn't be in this position

2166
01:28:31,880 --> 01:28:29,160
and there was some serious parental

2167
01:28:33,560 --> 01:28:31,890
failures on all sides that contributed

2168
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:33,570
to this girl being sex trafficked out of

2169
01:28:38,570 --> 01:28:36,090
the country amen hi I couldn't say it

2170
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:38,580
any better Jenny I guess getting a

2171
01:28:44,990 --> 01:28:42,810
little more light Robert asks are you

2172
01:28:47,630 --> 01:28:45,000
still skeptical or have any

2173
01:28:50,300 --> 01:28:47,640
investigations changed your mind with

2174
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:50,310
mysteries decoded Robert I will always

2175
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:54,650
be a skeptic because that is my job but

2176
01:28:59,600 --> 01:28:57,090
were there things that happened

2177
01:29:02,030 --> 01:28:59,610
that I can't explain absolutely and I

2178
01:29:05,270 --> 01:29:02,040
would love to explain them away I would

2179
01:29:09,109 --> 01:29:05,280
love to explain away anything paranormal

2180
01:29:11,750 --> 01:29:09,119
with science I love science I love logic

2181
01:29:14,000 --> 01:29:11,760
I love reasoning you know my life on

2182
01:29:16,850 --> 01:29:14,010
camera as an actress is where I kind of

2183
01:29:19,100 --> 01:29:16,860
explore just the artsy side of things

2184
01:29:22,750 --> 01:29:19,110
but as a person I'm very grounded in

2185
01:29:26,419 --> 01:29:22,760
reality so yes some things have happened

2186
01:29:28,490 --> 01:29:26,429
and I wouldn't say I'm a believer per se

2187
01:29:31,910 --> 01:29:28,500
but I would say that there are things

2188
01:29:33,830 --> 01:29:31,920
that we don't understand yet and my

2189
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:33,840
co-host in Salem had said something she

2190
01:29:41,030 --> 01:29:37,489
said everything known to man was at once

2191
01:29:43,149 --> 01:29:41,040
paranormal and you know that's a really

2192
01:29:46,580 --> 01:29:43,159
interesting point I'm sure if somebody

2193
01:29:48,709 --> 01:29:46,590
saw a car driving down a road you know

2194
01:29:50,600 --> 01:29:48,719
in 1800 they would think that that's

2195
01:29:52,760 --> 01:29:50,610
paranormal it's just something that

2196
01:29:54,770 --> 01:29:52,770
hasn't happened yet due to technology so

2197
01:29:56,870 --> 01:29:54,780
I think that there's something to be

2198
01:30:00,770 --> 01:29:56,880
said about that point that she made and

2199
01:30:02,300 --> 01:30:00,780
I I just I think we don't know enough we

2200
01:30:04,189 --> 01:30:02,310
don't know enough yet about how the

2201
01:30:06,410 --> 01:30:04,199
world works how the universe works how

2202
01:30:09,589 --> 01:30:06,420
anything works to completely discount

2203
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:09,599
anything yeah that's a really good way

2204
01:30:14,810 --> 01:30:12,210
of looking at it you know drop an iPhone

2205
01:30:18,080 --> 01:30:14,820
back in the you know prehistoric times

2206
01:30:21,260 --> 01:30:18,090
and see what they would think that's

2207
01:30:22,820 --> 01:30:21,270
pure sorcery absolutely you know it's

2208
01:30:25,310 --> 01:30:22,830
it's fascinating to think that way I

2209
01:30:27,589 --> 01:30:25,320
agree I think the paranormal is just

2210
01:30:31,220 --> 01:30:27,599
science we haven't discovered yet and

2211
01:30:33,890 --> 01:30:31,230
most times we have okay Chris has sort

2212
01:30:38,379 --> 01:30:33,900
of a a relating question what motivates

2213
01:30:41,060 --> 01:30:38,389
you to keep investigating oh my gosh um

2214
01:30:43,180 --> 01:30:41,070
well outside of the show because the

2215
01:30:45,830 --> 01:30:43,190
show is great because I get to

2216
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:45,840
investigate things that I would never be

2217
01:30:49,189 --> 01:30:47,610
paid for on the outside no one's gonna

2218
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:49,199
say find out what's going on the Bermuda

2219
01:30:54,109 --> 01:30:50,610
Triangle I'll pay for you to go down to

2220
01:30:55,729 --> 01:30:54,119
Miami that's not a thing so the show was

2221
01:30:58,010 --> 01:30:55,739
a unique departure from what I do in my

2222
01:31:01,250 --> 01:30:58,020
everyday business but what keeps me

2223
01:31:06,560 --> 01:31:01,260
investigating is wanting to help people

2224
01:31:09,839 --> 01:31:06,570
I get so much just it's such a good

2225
01:31:11,520 --> 01:31:09,849
feeling to be able to help someone I

2226
01:31:13,680 --> 01:31:11,530
had worked with a woman who was looking

2227
01:31:16,890 --> 01:31:13,690
for her biological father who did not

2228
01:31:18,569 --> 01:31:16,900
know she existed she was 60 inner sixty

2229
01:31:21,209 --> 01:31:18,579
she's a real estate agent in Northern

2230
01:31:22,800 --> 01:31:21,219
California and she said you know I've

2231
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:22,810
brought this to several investigators

2232
01:31:26,160 --> 01:31:24,250
they've never been able to find my

2233
01:31:28,500 --> 01:31:26,170
father all I have is his name and I

2234
01:31:30,330 --> 01:31:28,510
think he's out of the country I worked

2235
01:31:32,850 --> 01:31:30,340
with her and within three days I had

2236
01:31:35,640 --> 01:31:32,860
located him he was in Germany they

2237
01:31:39,990 --> 01:31:35,650
recently have met each other for the

2238
01:31:41,310 --> 01:31:40,000
first time and he's in his 80s so am I

2239
01:31:43,080 --> 01:31:41,320
the only investigator who could have

2240
01:31:45,720 --> 01:31:43,090
found him probably not but she had gone

2241
01:31:47,640 --> 01:31:45,730
to other people and knowing that I could

2242
01:31:51,810 --> 01:31:47,650
bring that closure to her prior to him

2243
01:31:54,390 --> 01:31:51,820
passing away it's such a good feeling

2244
01:31:56,729 --> 01:31:54,400
and I love being able to help people and

2245
01:32:00,270 --> 01:31:56,739
in some cases make their dreams come

2246
01:32:01,740 --> 01:32:00,280
true because I do work on birth parents

2247
01:32:04,080 --> 01:32:01,750
who have placed their children for

2248
01:32:05,580 --> 01:32:04,090
adoption you know sometimes people don't

2249
01:32:07,979 --> 01:32:05,590
want to meet but most of the time they

2250
01:32:10,410 --> 01:32:07,989
do want to meet and a good number of

2251
01:32:11,040 --> 01:32:10,420
those visits they enjoy themselves very

2252
01:32:12,990 --> 01:32:11,050
much

2253
01:32:15,770 --> 01:32:13,000
you know I'm looking into a case right

2254
01:32:18,839 --> 01:32:15,780
now of a man who disappeared in 2013 and

2255
01:32:21,080 --> 01:32:18,849
it's very perplexing but if I'm able to

2256
01:32:23,430 --> 01:32:21,090
help his parents in any way at all

2257
01:32:25,950 --> 01:32:23,440
that's what I want to do so that's

2258
01:32:27,540 --> 01:32:25,960
really what keeps me motivated is just

2259
01:32:29,790 --> 01:32:27,550
being able to bring closure to these

2260
01:32:32,729 --> 01:32:29,800
families who so desperately need it I

2261
01:32:34,859 --> 01:32:32,739
love that yeah using your skills to help

2262
01:32:38,189 --> 01:32:34,869
people if everyone in the world did that

2263
01:32:41,370 --> 01:32:38,199
it'd be a much better place

2264
01:32:44,189 --> 01:32:41,380
awesome well Steve and Jessica both have

2265
01:32:46,979 --> 01:32:44,199
kind of a similar question here in your

2266
01:32:48,990 --> 01:32:46,989
military experience did you ever see or

2267
01:32:50,910 --> 01:32:49,000
experience anything out of the ordinary

2268
01:32:52,740 --> 01:32:50,920
that was kind of you know like swept

2269
01:32:55,050 --> 01:32:52,750
under the rug or maybe at the time it

2270
01:32:57,899 --> 01:32:55,060
was not a big deal but kind of looking

2271
01:33:02,370 --> 01:32:57,909
back on it now you think maybe it was a

2272
01:33:04,439 --> 01:33:02,380
little strange or unexplainable well

2273
01:33:06,180 --> 01:33:04,449
I'll say this I have always been very

2274
01:33:09,510 --> 01:33:06,190
good at reading people's body language

2275
01:33:12,089 --> 01:33:09,520
so something that may have flown under

2276
01:33:14,790 --> 01:33:12,099
the radar with maybe another sailor it

2277
01:33:16,859 --> 01:33:14,800
did not with me I grew up in a very

2278
01:33:19,080 --> 01:33:16,869
tumultuous household and so I was always

2279
01:33:22,169 --> 01:33:19,090
trying to read my father and see what

2280
01:33:23,370 --> 01:33:22,179
his mood was for that day to see if I

2281
01:33:24,780 --> 01:33:23,380
should stay away how

2282
01:33:27,570 --> 01:33:24,790
should act so I was very much a

2283
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:27,580
chameleon from early on even as a

2284
01:33:32,670 --> 01:33:30,130
toddler so there were definitely things

2285
01:33:36,060 --> 01:33:32,680
that my first command that I saw that I

2286
01:33:40,830 --> 01:33:36,070
witnessed that I heard I was stationed

2287
01:33:42,420 --> 01:33:40,840
on a base it's an island base and I

2288
01:33:45,620 --> 01:33:42,430
don't really want to get into what they

2289
01:33:48,150 --> 01:33:45,630
do there but I had made friends with

2290
01:33:51,090 --> 01:33:48,160
some of the civilians on the island who

2291
01:33:52,860 --> 01:33:51,100
they all had security clearances and so

2292
01:33:55,470 --> 01:33:52,870
they would invite me to dinner parties

2293
01:33:57,330 --> 01:33:55,480
you know and I was nineteen twenty years

2294
01:34:01,470 --> 01:33:57,340
old sitting at a dinner party with these

2295
01:34:03,570 --> 01:34:01,480
you know 40 50 60 something-year-old men

2296
01:34:06,480 --> 01:34:03,580
and women who'd been working in a

2297
01:34:09,090 --> 01:34:06,490
government capacity for decades with

2298
01:34:13,170 --> 01:34:09,100
security clearances and yes things were

2299
01:34:16,890 --> 01:34:13,180
said that I knew I probably was not

2300
01:34:17,940 --> 01:34:16,900
supposed to hear and it's one of those

2301
01:34:21,120 --> 01:34:17,950
things you take it with a grain of salt

2302
01:34:23,670 --> 01:34:21,130
I don't know if those things are still

2303
01:34:25,590 --> 01:34:23,680
classified so I won't divulge them just

2304
01:34:29,340 --> 01:34:25,600
out of respect but there were definitely

2305
01:34:32,130 --> 01:34:29,350
things when we shot area 51 that I knew

2306
01:34:34,590 --> 01:34:32,140
about that I can't and will not say on

2307
01:34:38,220 --> 01:34:34,600
camera just out of national security

2308
01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:38,230
reasons so yes there there are

2309
01:34:42,510 --> 01:34:40,570
definitely things it's not even looking

2310
01:34:45,300 --> 01:34:42,520
back it was at the time I realized I'm

2311
01:34:48,390 --> 01:34:45,310
probably not supposed to know that but I

2312
01:34:50,550 --> 01:34:48,400
do know it anyway and I worked in

2313
01:34:52,320 --> 01:34:50,560
logistics so there were things that you

2314
01:34:54,720 --> 01:34:52,330
know nothing came onto the ship or

2315
01:34:57,320 --> 01:34:54,730
nothing came to my command that I didn't

2316
01:35:01,500 --> 01:34:57,330
order or that I didn't know about so

2317
01:35:03,360 --> 01:35:01,510
yeah for sure for sure Nationals how all

2318
01:35:06,600 --> 01:35:03,370
that fits into into the grand scheme of

2319
01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:06,610
things I can't tell you that but yeah

2320
01:35:10,020 --> 01:35:08,170
there's lots of there's lots of things

2321
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:10,030
out there that that fly under the radar

2322
01:35:14,910 --> 01:35:12,400
that you don't think twice about unless

2323
01:35:16,470 --> 01:35:14,920
given the context I can't wait for the

2324
01:35:18,450 --> 01:35:16,480
next time you and I meet up I'm gonna

2325
01:35:23,940 --> 01:35:18,460
have to get a couple drinks in yet to

2326
01:35:25,920 --> 01:35:23,950
get those stories out of you our last

2327
01:35:28,230 --> 01:35:25,930
listener question here comes from Earl

2328
01:35:30,900 --> 01:35:28,240
and this is a good one

2329
01:35:35,310 --> 01:35:30,910
what is scarier or more impactful to you

2330
01:35:36,979 --> 01:35:35,320
that ghosts or cryptids or aliens may be

2331
01:35:40,709 --> 01:35:36,989
real after do

2332
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:40,719
investigations well I would say if if

2333
01:35:44,340 --> 01:35:42,610
all of let's say all of them are real

2334
01:35:49,680 --> 01:35:44,350
right let's say ghosts cryptids and

2335
01:35:52,709 --> 01:35:49,690
aliens are all real aliens like I said

2336
01:35:54,450 --> 01:35:52,719
we don't know what drives them what

2337
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:54,460
motivates them they could look at what

2338
01:35:58,830 --> 01:35:56,800
we're doing and say you are completely

2339
01:36:00,030 --> 01:35:58,840
trashing your planet you are killing

2340
01:36:02,820 --> 01:36:00,040
each other you're doing all these things

2341
01:36:05,419 --> 01:36:02,830
you deserve to be annihilated you know

2342
01:36:08,070 --> 01:36:05,429
we don't know the thought process behind

2343
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:08,080
what other civilizations could think

2344
01:36:12,090 --> 01:36:10,330
about what's happening on earth so to me

2345
01:36:15,060 --> 01:36:12,100
that is probably the most terrifying

2346
01:36:18,149 --> 01:36:15,070
because we just don't know that now

2347
01:36:19,950 --> 01:36:18,159
ghosts they can surely scare the scare

2348
01:36:23,310 --> 01:36:19,960
the [\h__\h] out of somebody or you know

2349
01:36:24,780 --> 01:36:23,320
follow you around whatever you don't

2350
01:36:27,540 --> 01:36:24,790
hear a lot of stories about ghosts

2351
01:36:31,530 --> 01:36:27,550
wiping civilizations off the map with

2352
01:36:34,770 --> 01:36:31,540
cryptids it's certainly interesting you

2353
01:36:36,990 --> 01:36:34,780
know it's intriguing but if bigfoot is

2354
01:36:38,879 --> 01:36:37,000
real he's not tearing people apart limb

2355
01:36:42,450 --> 01:36:38,889
from limb as he comes across them and

2356
01:36:44,939 --> 01:36:42,460
british columbia so I think if cryptids

2357
01:36:46,970 --> 01:36:44,949
were real that would be an interesting

2358
01:36:50,729 --> 01:36:46,980
intriguing thing but but

2359
01:36:54,180 --> 01:36:50,739
extraterrestrials yes it is very it is

2360
01:36:56,100 --> 01:36:54,190
very worrisome to me just because if we

2361
01:36:58,530 --> 01:36:56,110
don't even remotely understand the

2362
01:37:02,970 --> 01:36:58,540
technology behind some of these videos

2363
01:37:06,510 --> 01:37:02,980
that means that they are years and years

2364
01:37:07,850 --> 01:37:06,520
and years ahead of us and who knows what

2365
01:37:09,780 --> 01:37:07,860
could happen with that

2366
01:37:14,580 --> 01:37:09,790
absolutely and I've had this discussion

2367
01:37:16,560 --> 01:37:14,590
with MJ bias a lot and his his

2368
01:37:19,439 --> 01:37:16,570
experience with cultures and belief

2369
01:37:21,810 --> 01:37:19,449
systems it rings so true with what

2370
01:37:24,390 --> 01:37:21,820
you're saying that you know ghosts can't

2371
01:37:26,790 --> 01:37:24,400
take over the world cryptids are not

2372
01:37:30,080 --> 01:37:26,800
going to wipe our planet out I think

2373
01:37:32,939 --> 01:37:30,090
that's why people are so hesitant to

2374
01:37:35,189 --> 01:37:32,949
accept that aliens could be real because

2375
01:37:37,470 --> 01:37:35,199
we potentially don't know what they're

2376
01:37:40,379 --> 01:37:37,480
capable of so I agree with you a hundred

2377
01:37:42,780 --> 01:37:40,389
percent you know while I tend to err on

2378
01:37:45,120 --> 01:37:42,790
the side of believing in aliens that big

2379
01:37:47,760 --> 01:37:45,130
part of me inside almost doesn't want to

2380
01:37:49,389 --> 01:37:47,770
because that fear of the unknown of what

2381
01:37:52,299 --> 01:37:49,399
they could do like brain

2382
01:37:54,429 --> 01:37:52,309
the ghosts bring on the Bigfoots but at

2383
01:37:57,310 --> 01:37:54,439
the end of the day while I'm a look at

2384
01:37:59,080 --> 01:37:57,320
UFOs you know all the time there's that

2385
01:38:01,719 --> 01:37:59,090
small part of me that just kind of hopes

2386
01:38:06,040 --> 01:38:01,729
that we could prove that they aren't

2387
01:38:07,779 --> 01:38:06,050
alien for that I mean from a national

2388
01:38:09,580 --> 01:38:07,789
security perspective and from a military

2389
01:38:11,889 --> 01:38:09,590
perspective I want nothing more than to

2390
01:38:15,040 --> 01:38:11,899
say these are experimental military

2391
01:38:17,109 --> 01:38:15,050
craft we have this technology because if

2392
01:38:20,049 --> 01:38:17,119
something were to happen god forbid like

2393
01:38:23,259 --> 01:38:20,059
World War 3 I would want to have the

2394
01:38:26,649 --> 01:38:23,269
best technology capable of ending a war

2395
01:38:30,219 --> 01:38:26,659
quickly so I want nothing more than for

2396
01:38:32,649 --> 01:38:30,229
this to be homegrown III don't know I

2397
01:38:35,229 --> 01:38:32,659
mean when one of the pilots was talking

2398
01:38:40,049 --> 01:38:35,239
about he basically saw a docking station

2399
01:38:43,439 --> 01:38:40,059
in the ocean that that's yeah that is

2400
01:38:46,359 --> 01:38:43,449
inexplicable that's terrifying that's

2401
01:38:49,209 --> 01:38:46,369
you know what is this this is a man with

2402
01:38:51,429 --> 01:38:49,219
thousands of hours thousands of flying

2403
01:38:54,250 --> 01:38:51,439
hours he's not prone to exaggeration

2404
01:38:56,949 --> 01:38:54,260
he's seen lots of things so that gives

2405
01:38:59,379 --> 01:38:56,959
me pause yeah well sort of closing

2406
01:39:01,509 --> 01:38:59,389
things out here Jen mysteries decoded

2407
01:39:03,549 --> 01:39:01,519
we've got half the season is aired we've

2408
01:39:06,100 --> 01:39:03,559
got some more stuff to investigate but

2409
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:06,110
what are some topics that you'd like to

2410
01:39:11,189 --> 01:39:08,570
cover if if given the opportunity to get

2411
01:39:13,719 --> 01:39:11,199
back out there you know I don't know

2412
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:13,729
it's just supposed to be a one-off it's

2413
01:39:17,529 --> 01:39:15,679
not supposed to be you know in every

2414
01:39:20,379 --> 01:39:17,539
year sort of show it's supposed to be a

2415
01:39:23,159 --> 01:39:20,389
summer filler but if we were given the

2416
01:39:25,330 --> 01:39:23,169
opportunity to look at anything else

2417
01:39:26,949 --> 01:39:25,340
there's something that's really

2418
01:39:29,589 --> 01:39:26,959
interesting to me that I recently came

2419
01:39:31,419 --> 01:39:29,599
across that I immediately dismissed as

2420
01:39:33,159 --> 01:39:31,429
[\h__\h] but the more I look into it I

2421
01:39:36,580 --> 01:39:33,169
said well maybe I should look into this

2422
01:39:39,159 --> 01:39:36,590
and it's whether or not the Titanic

2423
01:39:42,339 --> 01:39:39,169
actually sunk hear me out

2424
01:39:44,560 --> 01:39:42,349
whoa okay there's a thought process that

2425
01:39:47,979 --> 01:39:44,570
there's a theory that it was actually

2426
01:39:51,520 --> 01:39:47,989
the Titanic's sister ship and that it

2427
01:39:53,770 --> 01:39:51,530
was an insurance scheme so there's

2428
01:39:55,600 --> 01:39:53,780
compelling evidence one way that no it

2429
01:39:58,389 --> 01:39:55,610
was the Titanic but there's other things

2430
01:40:00,790 --> 01:39:58,399
that you look at there's the list of the

2431
01:40:03,009 --> 01:40:00,800
ship there was a two degree Lisp to it

2432
01:40:05,019 --> 01:40:03,019
they're listed to it there was a certain

2433
01:40:06,279 --> 01:40:05,029
of portholes on the sistership and a

2434
01:40:08,649 --> 01:40:06,289
certain number of portholes on the

2435
01:40:11,019 --> 01:40:08,659
Titanic so there's several things that

2436
01:40:15,219 --> 01:40:11,029
made me think well maybe I should look

2437
01:40:18,429 --> 01:40:15,229
into this a little closer because the

2438
01:40:21,189 --> 01:40:18,439
captain had been in to maritime

2439
01:40:24,039 --> 01:40:21,199
accidents previously for white star and

2440
01:40:26,829 --> 01:40:24,049
he was still made the captain of the

2441
01:40:28,149 --> 01:40:26,839
Titanic there were sick which to me

2442
01:40:30,789 --> 01:40:28,159
makes no sense from a business

2443
01:40:33,699 --> 01:40:30,799
perspective there were also some very

2444
01:40:36,339 --> 01:40:33,709
quite a tweety high-ranking people in

2445
01:40:39,339 --> 01:40:36,349
society who canceled their tickets right

2446
01:40:42,699 --> 01:40:39,349
before the Titanic took its voyage so

2447
01:40:45,009 --> 01:40:42,709
there is there there are things that

2448
01:40:48,009 --> 01:40:45,019
make me want to look into it whether or

2449
01:40:51,399 --> 01:40:48,019
not it's legitimate I don't know but if

2450
01:40:53,259 --> 01:40:51,409
somebody wants to fund my voyage to go

2451
01:40:58,289 --> 01:40:53,269
see if that's true I would absolutely

2452
01:41:01,599 --> 01:40:58,299
love that Wow I'm I'm with can I go

2453
01:41:04,089 --> 01:41:01,609
it'll be great and you know we didn't do

2454
01:41:05,829 --> 01:41:04,099
it this season because we you know we

2455
01:41:07,599 --> 01:41:05,839
didn't do anything internationally with

2456
01:41:10,839 --> 01:41:07,609
the exception of a Bigfoot and that's

2457
01:41:12,519 --> 01:41:10,849
just up in British Columbia so it is

2458
01:41:14,949 --> 01:41:12,529
really intriguing and whether or not

2459
01:41:18,250 --> 01:41:14,959
it's true or not true it's it's worth

2460
01:41:20,589 --> 01:41:18,260
the look sort of rounding out your

2461
01:41:23,439 --> 01:41:20,599
military career here Jenny you do a lot

2462
01:41:25,659 --> 01:41:23,449
of work with military veterans and again

2463
01:41:27,159 --> 01:41:25,669
like I said I'm a big proponent of this

2464
01:41:29,439 --> 01:41:27,169
as well can you tell us a little about

2465
01:41:32,409 --> 01:41:29,449
your work in this sector and what it

2466
01:41:35,949 --> 01:41:32,419
means to you yeah you know when I left

2467
01:41:38,019 --> 01:41:35,959
the military it was kind of unexpected I

2468
01:41:40,029 --> 01:41:38,029
wasn't planning on leaving and I

2469
01:41:42,849 --> 01:41:40,039
struggled a lot with the transition if

2470
01:41:45,819 --> 01:41:42,859
you can think of all the careers you

2471
01:41:47,259 --> 01:41:45,829
know everybody finds kind of where where

2472
01:41:49,329 --> 01:41:47,269
they're comfortable and I was so

2473
01:41:51,429 --> 01:41:49,339
comfortable in the Navy I loved it I

2474
01:41:53,469 --> 01:41:51,439
wanted to make it a career so when I got

2475
01:41:55,750 --> 01:41:53,479
out the transition was so difficult and

2476
01:41:58,059 --> 01:41:55,760
I was ill on top of that so it was

2477
01:42:01,029 --> 01:41:58,069
really hard and once I got my bearings I

2478
01:42:04,169 --> 01:42:01,039
said you know I want to help my brothers

2479
01:42:07,649 --> 01:42:04,179
and sisters however I can and that

2480
01:42:10,509 --> 01:42:07,659
wasn't just some selfless act that

2481
01:42:12,250 --> 01:42:10,519
active altruism was helpful to me as

2482
01:42:15,279 --> 01:42:12,260
well because it made me feel like I was

2483
01:42:16,750 --> 01:42:15,289
giving back and it filled that hole that

2484
01:42:19,959 --> 01:42:16,760
had been there since I had left

2485
01:42:21,939 --> 01:42:19,969
the service so I volunteer with veterans

2486
01:42:23,680 --> 01:42:21,949
and media and entertainment and I work

2487
01:42:25,000 --> 01:42:23,690
as a mentor to help veterans who are

2488
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:25,010
coming into the film and television

2489
01:42:30,700 --> 01:42:28,010
arena I volunteer with pin ups for vets

2490
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:30,710
we dress up as World War 2 era pin-up

2491
01:42:36,189 --> 01:42:33,530
girls and we visit veterans in hospitals

2492
01:42:38,410 --> 01:42:36,199
and nursing homes we dress very modestly

2493
01:42:40,180 --> 01:42:38,420
but very colorful and it's just

2494
01:42:42,640 --> 01:42:40,190
wonderful to go into these rooms of

2495
01:42:44,680 --> 01:42:42,650
veterans who haven't had a visitor sit

2496
01:42:46,839 --> 01:42:44,690
down with them share stories of service

2497
01:42:49,240 --> 01:42:46,849
and just feel that camaraderie again so

2498
01:42:50,830 --> 01:42:49,250
I'm very active in the veteran community

2499
01:42:53,680 --> 01:42:50,840
and I'm very blessed that they've been

2500
01:42:57,100 --> 01:42:53,690
so welcoming to to invite me in and have

2501
01:42:59,649 --> 01:42:57,110
me spend time that's fantastic and I

2502
01:43:02,770 --> 01:42:59,659
mean I've seen the outpour of support

2503
01:43:04,870 --> 01:43:02,780
for you on social networks from the

2504
01:43:07,540 --> 01:43:04,880
military community and I mean no matter

2505
01:43:11,080 --> 01:43:07,550
anyone's thoughts on you know politics

2506
01:43:14,200 --> 01:43:11,090
or or the military it's it is a

2507
01:43:16,299 --> 01:43:14,210
community of people who would literally

2508
01:43:18,759 --> 01:43:16,309
give their lives for one another and

2509
01:43:21,850 --> 01:43:18,769
know that there are ways to still give

2510
01:43:24,189 --> 01:43:21,860
back and show that appreciation I wish

2511
01:43:26,770 --> 01:43:24,199
more civilians would do that

2512
01:43:28,600 --> 01:43:26,780
so is there anywhere we can go to to

2513
01:43:31,270 --> 01:43:28,610
kind of look that stuff up and where

2514
01:43:32,890 --> 01:43:31,280
people could turn to yes so I have a

2515
01:43:35,169 --> 01:43:32,900
couple websites and then I have an

2516
01:43:36,879 --> 01:43:35,179
actual tangible way that listeners can

2517
01:43:38,259 --> 01:43:36,889
help vets because a lot of people say

2518
01:43:40,750 --> 01:43:38,269
thank you for your service which is

2519
01:43:42,430 --> 01:43:40,760
well-meaning but I always tell people do

2520
01:43:44,229 --> 01:43:42,440
you want a tangible way and when I tell

2521
01:43:46,660 --> 01:43:44,239
them they're like absolutely tell me how

2522
01:43:47,549 --> 01:43:46,670
I can do this so the first couple

2523
01:43:52,959 --> 01:43:47,559
websites

2524
01:43:55,990 --> 01:43:52,969
WW pinups for vets comm we have a

2525
01:43:58,419 --> 01:43:56,000
calendar that we sell to fund our 50

2526
01:44:01,089 --> 01:43:58,429
state hospital tour and the calendar has

2527
01:44:03,100 --> 01:44:01,099
female and male veterans in it this year

2528
01:44:05,290 --> 01:44:03,110
it's mainly female we've done ones with

2529
01:44:07,299 --> 01:44:05,300
a with males as well but it's a

2530
01:44:09,490 --> 01:44:07,309
wonderful calendar very modest very

2531
01:44:11,580 --> 01:44:09,500
beautiful and that helps fund our

2532
01:44:15,729 --> 01:44:11,590
mission of getting to visit every state

2533
01:44:17,350 --> 01:44:15,739
I would also say if if you are someone

2534
01:44:20,020 --> 01:44:17,360
in a position where you say I'd like to

2535
01:44:23,319 --> 01:44:20,030
help a veteran the easiest way you can

2536
01:44:25,870 --> 01:44:23,329
do this is by putting on your LinkedIn

2537
01:44:27,609 --> 01:44:25,880
profile that you're willing to mentor a

2538
01:44:29,859 --> 01:44:27,619
veteran who's coming into your field

2539
01:44:30,430 --> 01:44:29,869
because often we get out of the military

2540
01:44:31,960 --> 01:44:30,440
we

2541
01:44:33,940 --> 01:44:31,970
don't know how to make that transition

2542
01:44:36,430 --> 01:44:33,950
let's say you work in Hotel Management

2543
01:44:39,610 --> 01:44:36,440
and somebody's going to school for

2544
01:44:41,800 --> 01:44:39,620
hospitality if they want to follow in

2545
01:44:44,230 --> 01:44:41,810
your footsteps oftentimes they're very

2546
01:44:46,290 --> 01:44:44,240
hesitant to reach out so put it in your

2547
01:44:48,670 --> 01:44:46,300
bio put a couple Asterix by it

2548
01:44:51,400 --> 01:44:48,680
oftentimes that's all it takes veterans

2549
01:44:54,330 --> 01:44:51,410
most of us do not need a hand out but a

2550
01:44:58,540 --> 01:44:54,340
hand up is very very helpful in getting

2551
01:45:00,670 --> 01:44:58,550
reintegrated to civilian life so also if

2552
01:45:04,290 --> 01:45:00,680
you'd like to visit my website Jennifer

2553
01:45:06,910 --> 01:45:04,300
Marshall comm I do some work in Uganda I

2554
01:45:10,060 --> 01:45:06,920
currently sponsored two students to go

2555
01:45:12,400 --> 01:45:10,070
to school one of whom is he was

2556
01:45:14,860 --> 01:45:12,410
abandoned by his parents and so he's an

2557
01:45:16,900 --> 01:45:14,870
orphan and the girl that I sponsor is

2558
01:45:19,900 --> 01:45:16,910
HIV positive they would not be able to

2559
01:45:21,910 --> 01:45:19,910
go to school without sponsorship and it

2560
01:45:24,190 --> 01:45:21,920
really takes a community I have people

2561
01:45:25,900 --> 01:45:24,200
who donate money and because of that

2562
01:45:28,390 --> 01:45:25,910
I've been able to sponsor him for the

2563
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:28,400
last six years and her for the last

2564
01:45:34,870 --> 01:45:32,810
three so all of that money donated if

2565
01:45:37,210 --> 01:45:34,880
you want to send me a message on my

2566
01:45:41,110 --> 01:45:37,220
website all of that money donated goes

2567
01:45:43,150 --> 01:45:41,120
to their education and making just life

2568
01:45:45,610 --> 01:45:43,160
better for for the kids living in the

2569
01:45:48,820 --> 01:45:45,620
village in Uganda where I volunteer

2570
01:45:51,430 --> 01:45:48,830
that's amazing Jen I mean you're like

2571
01:45:53,860 --> 01:45:51,440
the shining example I was like what one

2572
01:45:55,870 --> 01:45:53,870
can do with this journey we call life

2573
01:45:58,930 --> 01:45:55,880
like you're involved with so many

2574
01:46:01,870 --> 01:45:58,940
different things it's so inspiring I

2575
01:46:04,330 --> 01:46:01,880
just I want to tell people Ryan because

2576
01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:04,340
I know people get overwhelmed you don't

2577
01:46:09,100 --> 01:46:06,650
have to change the world but you can

2578
01:46:11,380 --> 01:46:09,110
change the world for one person yeah

2579
01:46:13,390 --> 01:46:11,390
it's such a good way to look at it yeah

2580
01:46:15,940 --> 01:46:13,400
that makes all the difference to that

2581
01:46:18,330 --> 01:46:15,950
one person and Wow

2582
01:46:21,550 --> 01:46:18,340
yeah well mysteries decoded airs every

2583
01:46:24,940 --> 01:46:21,560
Tuesday on the CW you can stream the

2584
01:46:27,610 --> 01:46:24,950
show for free at the CW seed I can't

2585
01:46:28,960 --> 01:46:27,620
wait to see where you're going next gen

2586
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:28,970
and Traynham

2587
01:46:33,340 --> 01:46:30,800
thank you so much for coming on today

2588
01:46:35,350 --> 01:46:33,350
and thank you for so much for having me

2589
01:46:37,180 --> 01:46:35,360
Ryan it's always wonderful when I get to

2590
01:46:38,950 --> 01:46:37,190
work with you and I know that we'll have

2591
01:46:40,430 --> 01:46:38,960
the opportunity in the future I can't

2592
01:46:44,680 --> 01:46:40,440
wait oh we ain't done

2593
01:46:49,700 --> 01:46:47,209
that is it for this week's episode again

2594
01:46:52,459 --> 01:46:49,710
my thanks to Jennifer for coming on

2595
01:46:54,979 --> 01:46:52,469
please be sure to check out the area 51

2596
01:46:58,280 --> 01:46:54,989
episode on Tuesday September 10th on the

2597
01:47:00,860 --> 01:46:58,290
CW network check your local listings for

2598
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:00,870
times and stations this Tuesday

2599
01:47:06,229 --> 01:47:03,840
September 3rd our episode on the Roswell

2600
01:47:07,729 --> 01:47:06,239
case will re-air as well so be sure to

2601
01:47:10,250 --> 01:47:07,739
check that out if you haven't seen it

2602
01:47:11,660 --> 01:47:10,260
already all of the episodes of mysteries

2603
01:47:15,020 --> 01:47:11,670
dakota that have already aired are

2604
01:47:19,310 --> 01:47:15,030
available to streamed for free on the CW

2605
01:47:21,050 --> 01:47:19,320
seed app visit CWC calm to learn more

2606
01:47:23,510 --> 01:47:21,060
have you happened to live in the

2607
01:47:26,630 --> 01:47:23,520
Michigan area I'm gonna be speaking at

2608
01:47:29,300 --> 01:47:26,640
the Michigan UFO contact event in howl

2609
01:47:33,650 --> 01:47:29,310
in Lake Michigan on September 20th and

2610
01:47:35,900 --> 01:47:33,660
21st join me Mike bara andrea Perrin

2611
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:35,910
frank chilly Nick Redfern John Tenney

2612
01:47:41,570 --> 01:47:39,090
bill Kahn cholesky Cheryl Costa Tim

2613
01:47:44,390 --> 01:47:41,580
Woolworth and Brad Blair and Tim Ellis

2614
01:47:47,120 --> 01:47:44,400
all speaking on various topics having to

2615
01:47:49,490 --> 01:47:47,130
do with the UFOs this is gonna be such

2616
01:47:51,500 --> 01:47:49,500
an amazing event and I really hope you

2617
01:47:55,910 --> 01:47:51,510
can make it to learn more and to get

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01:47:59,930 --> 01:47:55,920
tickets visit em i UFO con comm again

2619
01:48:03,200 --> 01:47:59,940
that's mi UFO con-com and I'll see you

2620
01:48:05,510 --> 01:48:03,210
there on September 20th and 21st we're

2621
01:48:08,180 --> 01:48:05,520
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2627
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2628
01:48:25,070 --> 01:48:22,440
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2629
01:48:27,920 --> 01:48:25,080
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2630
01:48:31,189 --> 01:48:27,930
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2631
01:48:33,410 --> 01:48:31,199
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2632
01:48:35,660 --> 01:48:33,420
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2633
01:48:36,680 --> 01:48:35,670
your feet on the ground but never stop

2634
01:48:45,940 --> 01:48:36,690
searching

2635
01:49:18,900 --> 01:49:17,080
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2636
01:49:21,370 --> 01:49:18,910
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2637
01:49:23,110 --> 01:49:21,380
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